Haswell-E uses a Soldered Thermal Interface

Don't De-lid you Haswell-E!

Haswell-E uses a Soldered Thermal Interface

 

Intel Haswell-E de-lidded: A Soldered IHS!

Reports have been flying in this morning that Intel's upcoming Haswell-E CPU will have their chips soldered to their IHS (integrated heat spreader). This is a move from what Intel has done with their previous few generations of hardware where they used a thermal interface material more similar to what we use to attach our coolers to our hardware.

Overclockers rejoice, as a soldered solution will perform better than Intel's TIM solution, as the thermal conductivity is much higher. This will allow more advanced cooling solutions to more directly benefit your temperatures, which should allow you to push voltages and clock speeds higher than non-soldered solutions.

Here is a picture below of the supposedly de-lidded Intel i7-5960X, which has obviously been destroyed by the process. Taking off the IHS here has peeled the CPU die off, destroying the CPU beyond any possible repair.

 

Haswell-E uses a Soldered Thermal Interface

 

 Haswell-E Specs

Here are what we know of Haswell-E's specifications thus far, as well as the pre-order pricing we reported on little over a week ago. 

 

Processor

Core i7-5960XCore i7-5930kCore i7-5820K
Processing Cores866
Processing Threads161212
Cache20MB15MB15MB
BLK100MHz100MHz100MHz
Core Base Frequency3.0GHz3.5GHz3.2GHz
Supported MemoryDDR4DDR4DDR4
Memory Controller Frequency2133MHz2133MHz2133MHz

PCI Express Config.

2x16 + 1x82x16 +1x81x16 + 1x8 + 1x4
TDP140W140W140W
Price$1,107.83$631.54$425.92

 

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27-07-2014, 09:35:38

WYP
Reports are coming in that the IHS of Intel's upcoming Haswell-E CPUs is Soldered. Haswell-E could be an overclocking beast!

http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/artic...090946185l.jpg

Read more on Intel using a Soldered IHS on Haswell-E CPUs hereQuote

27-07-2014, 09:53:29

Dicehunter
Nice find

1 thing that worries me about the 5960x is it's base clock, 3 jiggaherz is awfully low Quote

27-07-2014, 09:57:09

Wraith
Nice catch WYP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicehunter View Post
Nice find

1 thing that worries me about the 5960x is it's base clock, 3 jiggaherz is awfully low
I initially thought that but then again 8 whole solid 100% thorough bred cores, now that's yummy! and I bet with not much tinkering would hit 4.0 - 4.2Ghz.Quote

27-07-2014, 09:57:50

WYP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicehunter View Post
Nice find

1 thing that worries me about the 5960x is it's base clock, 3 jiggaherz is awfully low
Yeah, but if we can overclock it well it doesn't really matter.

They need to keep it lower to keep power consumption and heat down. Business users who need the CPU will use the 8 cores which will remove the disadvantage of the lower clocks.Quote

27-07-2014, 09:59:03

The_Governour
Thats sounds very nice! I might get my self a 5930k after I see some OC reports!Quote

27-07-2014, 10:01:24

MadShadow
Seems like a very good idea from Intel. Hopefully we can look forwards to this with Broadwell.Quote

27-07-2014, 10:02:20

Dicehunter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Watsyerproblem View Post
Yeah, but if we can overclock it well it doesn't really matter.

They need to keep it lower to keep power consumption and heat down. Business users who need the CPU will use the 8 cores which will remove the disadvantage of the lower clocks.
True, Like Intels first 6 core CPU which was also an Extreme variant, This is a beta to see how well it does in the market, The generation afterwards will hopefully have an 8 core in the K segment, 6930K 8 Core, I hope anyway Quote

27-07-2014, 10:08:09

XANADV
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicehunter View Post
Nice find

1 thing that worries me about the 5960x is it's base clock, 3 jiggaherz is awfully low
Yes 3.0 GHz is quite low by enthusiast standards nowadays, but remember this is an 8-core CPU so it will produce more heat at the same clock speed than it's 6-core counterparts. That being said 3 GHz is a little low considering similar Xeon E5 parts go up to 3.4 Ghz currently.Quote

27-07-2014, 10:22:20

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicehunter View Post
Nice find

1 thing that worries me about the 5960x is it's base clock, 3 jiggaherz is awfully low
Like the Xeon version - its another speed binning excersise - 8 cores all working right are easier to bin at 3GHz than 4GHz

Expect faster versions later, remeber GHz isnt what the 2011 socket is about. If youre a n0000b and just see GHz buy the mainstream 1150 stuff..... or even worse..... AMDQuote

27-07-2014, 10:27:16

Dicehunter
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
Like the Xeon version - its another speed binning excersise - 8 cores all working right are easier to bin at 3GHz than 4GHz

Expect faster versions later, remeber GHz isnt what the 2011 socket is about. If youre a n0000b and just see GHz buy the mainstream 1150 stuff..... or even worse..... AMD
But, The benchmarks require the Jiggaherzizz !!! Quote

27-07-2014, 10:37:59

barnsley
Considering most professional Applications aren't single threaded anymore I'm almost wondering if the single core strength of these cpus aren't going to be much/any faster than what we have currently in a non threaded environment.

Regardless, if intel are reading this and want to send me a chip so I can prove myself wrong then please do Quote

27-07-2014, 10:38:41

Zoot
I doubt it'll be any better than the 4790k when it comes to overclocking tbh.

I'm still on the fence whether I'll upgrade to it or not. I suspect a system powered by a 5930k would be good for a very long time though.Quote

27-07-2014, 10:40:02

XANADV
I predict the ceiling will be @ 4.3 Ghz for most people.Quote

27-07-2014, 10:52:32

Wraith
Quote:
Originally Posted by barnsley View Post
Considering most professional Applications aren't single threaded anymore I'm almost wondering if the single core strength of these cpus aren't going to be much/any faster than what we have currently in a non threaded environment.

Regardless, if intel are reading this and want to send me a chip so I can prove myself wrong then please do
It should be with the new 2011 Socket, with a vastly improved memory controller and much higher bus speeds this should perform much quicker operations per cycle. I'm actually quite interested to see computational comparisons between sockets now.Quote

27-07-2014, 15:35:41

Vicey
One thing I'm surprised about is this:

http://i.imgur.com/v1MI8Bu.png

The Core i7 5820K only has a 16/8/4 config. It doesn't have 16/16/8 like the other two chips. I wasn't aware that Intel were going to start differentiating their CPU's based on the amount of PCIe lanes they offer.

I'm sure it won't affect most gamers who buy these due to two card SLI/Crossfire being the most popular configuration where multi-GPU is concerned but it is curious.

I wonder if they intend to do the same PCIe lane binning on the XEON versions, Haswell-EP etc

By the way if anyone is curious, Crucial are listing DDR4 2133MHz Memory on their site. It's currently about £350 for 32GB but this is ECC memory for servers so it probably will cost more than the consumer stuff. Based on their listed price I'd say non-ECC UDIMM's the kind we'd want for an X99 system will be around £270 for 32GB (4 x 8GB Sticks). Quite reasonable in my opinion and of course the currently available ECC 2133MHz DDR4 will work in these systems too just without the ECC feature enabled.Quote

27-07-2014, 15:44:59

NeverBackDown
Tbh i would have been shocked if it was not soldered. Its really the only option with 8 cores. All that heat needs to leave and intel are not dumb. They know the last cheap solution wasn't great with even 4 cores.. imagine 8 on that crappy IHSQuote

27-07-2014, 15:47:06

Dicehunter
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
Tbh i would have been shocked if it was not soldered. Its really the only option with 8 cores. All that heat needs to leave and intel are not dumb. They know the last cheap solution wasn't great with even 4 cores.. imagine 8 on that crappy IHS
Please don't, I need a good nights sleep and that image will keep me up and have me crying in my sleep lol Quote

27-07-2014, 16:36:44

stampedeadam
That core size

fap fap fap...

I am wondering about the 5820K - so it has 28 PCIe lanes - but must they be arranged 1x16, 1x8, 1x4? Why not 3x8 and 1x4? That would be great for 3-way SLI.Quote

28-07-2014, 03:06:52

RizeAllard
Its good to hear that they return to soldered IHS. I can't wait for the 5930K. That will be my next cpu in my newly built rig. I would like 5960K but its will be too expensive for my budget....

3.0GHz is not too much but its not really count to much with phisical 8 cores. (As you know there were Sony Cell processors in the past runing just 1.5 GHz and can beat 3GHz of Intel P4 )

I waiting for the first benchmarks and the connected hardwares like mobos and DDR4 rams as well. I would like to know who can make the best solution for my new rig...Quote

29-07-2014, 03:20:46

Thelosouvlakia
I'd rather not see that chip destroyed than seeing what the die looks like..Quote

29-07-2014, 03:24:49

Zoot
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizeAllard View Post
3.0GHz is not too much but its not really count to much with phisical 8 cores.
3GHz on 8 cores is fine tbh.

It'd be nice if it hit 4GHz on a single core turbo though, just like some 8 core Xeons you can buy, but such is life.Quote

29-07-2014, 05:19:19

moremhzplz
*does a happy dance* Ive been waiting for this cpu for a long time. Also if your gunna buy this cpu your using it more than just gaming. This will replace my i7 940 cpuQuote

29-07-2014, 06:15:01

Tripp
isn't there 12 cores on the die though, just some are disabled?Quote

29-07-2014, 06:52:27

Lazlo
As far as I know the Extreme Series CPUs have always been soldered. So strictly speaking it's not a "return to soldering" but a "still soldering". Just saying...Quote

29-07-2014, 07:00:05

Thelosouvlakia
They are not i7s they are Xeons....
A 4790k would handle games better than those 8coresQuote

29-07-2014, 07:29:12

RizeAllard
These Xeon processors can also handle games as well if not better than 4790, but they have some optimalizations and they are cherry picked....Quote

29-07-2014, 08:33:30

stampedeadam
Remains to be seen as to whether it will clock better/worse/the same than a 4790k. If it's the same or better, this will likely have the lead for gaming?Quote

29-07-2014, 12:11:45

Agost
Quote:
Originally Posted by stampedeadam View Post
Remains to be seen as to whether it will clock better/worse/the same than a 4790k. If it's the same or better, this will likely have the lead for gaming?
Probably 4.5 GHz for a 5960X will be a really high ( non sub-zero ) OC, with high voltage requirements... 4.5 GHz is still a fairly high daily overclock for a 4960X, which needs at least 1.3V in order to reach that clock speed AFAIK. And it's a 6 core...

I wouldn't recommend a vcore higher than 1.3V for a daily OC on a 22nm cpu, especially if it's so big and so expensiveQuote

29-07-2014, 12:28:17

XANADV
Quote:
Originally Posted by stampedeadam View Post
Remains to be seen as to whether it will clock better/worse/the same than a 4790k. If it's the same or better, this will likely have the lead for gaming?
It won't clock as high so it's highly unlikely in the foreseeable future. Maybe things will change with DX12 but given the current state of game development I'd say that would take a long time.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Agost View Post
Probably 4.5 GHz for a 5960X will be a really high ( non sub-zero ) OC, with high voltage requirements... 4.5 GHz is still a fairly high daily overclock for a 4960X, which needs at least 1.3V in order to reach that clock speed AFAIK. And it's a 6 core...

I wouldn't recommend a vcore higher than 1.3V for a daily OC on a 22nm cpu, especially if it's so big and so expensive
If the current Ivy-E is anything to go by heat will be the limiting factor long before the silicon; 4.5 GHz is way too optimisticQuote

30-07-2014, 04:44:46

RizeAllard
Quote:
Originally Posted by XANADV View Post
It won't clock as high so it's highly unlikely in the foreseeable future. Maybe things will change with DX12 but given the current state of game development I'd say that would take a long time.



If the current Ivy-E is anything to go by heat will be the limiting factor long before the silicon; 4.5 GHz is way too optimistic
If we are lucky they will bring some optimalization to the die wich can help
to get higher clocks with lover temps. And the soldered cap is also good according to heat. I think it will be a better than IVY-E in the terms of OC.Quote

30-07-2014, 11:51:49

Joestricklin
There are still ways to get that IHS off or is it better left as isQuote

01-08-2014, 19:50:39

stampedeadam
The gearhead in me really wants one - but if the 4790k clocks better, it'll still be the better gaming chip - more cores won't help most games. In fact the only game I've got that takes advantage of even four cores properly is Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell.

If by some miracle Haswell E does clock just as well (perhaps the six core one will - as the die is 12 core native - so plenty of dark silicon to spread the heat as well as a soldered IHS) then the extra cache is going to come into play to push it into the lead.

Can't wait for the benchmarks Quote
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