ASUS Maximus VI Extreme Review

Introduction and Technical Specifications

ASUS Maximus VI Extreme review 

Introduction

So far we've looked at some affordable Z87 motherboards that all provide excellent, and in some cases amazing, performance. The quality and uniformity of the Intel Chipsets has reached a point wherein it's extremely difficult for a manufacturer to make a significant performance difference solely by the design of their motherboard.

One of the consistently high performance motherboards is the Maximus range from ASUS. The Maximus has always been a serious proposition for anybody who wanted to get the very most from their CPU. Although the Maximus IV was brilliant, with the Maximus V we started to see that although it was still great, everyone else had caught up and it no longer provided value for money.

Today sees us reviewing the Maximus VI Extreme and the question on everyone's lips is, is the M6E still the king of performance motherboards or has the chasing pack finally caught up?

Technical Specifications

According to the ASUS website the Maximus VI has five PCIe 3.0 slots, which obviously isn't the case. Someone needs to proof read. That aside, the Maximus VI Extreme has everything you could hope to find on a motherboard. WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0, ten SATA 6Gbps ports (yes 10), eight USB ports on the rear with a further eight available internally. As well as the regular ROG features the Maximus VI Extreme comes with an OC panel, for instant control. So let's take a look at the board itself.

CPU Intel® Socket 1150 for 4th Generation Core™ i7/Core™ i5/Core™ i3/Pentium®/Celeron® Processors
Supports Intel® 22 nm CPU
Supports Intel® Turbo Boost Technology 2.0
ChipsetIntel Z87
Memory

4 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 3000(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2800(O.C.)/2666(O.C.)/2600(O.C.)/2500(O.C.)/2400(O.C.)

/2200(O.C.)/2133(O.C.)/2000(O.C.)/1866(O.C.)/1800(O.C.)/1600/1333 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory
Dual Channel Memory Architecture
Supports Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (XMP)

GraphicsIntegrated Graphics Processor
Multi-VGA output support : HDMI/DisplayPort ports
- Supports HDMI with max. resolution 4096 x 2160 @ 24 Hz / 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz
- Supports DisplayPort with max. resolution 4096 x 2160 @ 24 Hz / 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz
Supports Intel® InTru™ 3D, Quick Sync Video, Clear Video HD Technology, Insider™
Supports NVIDIA® 4-Way SLI™ Technology
Supports AMD CrossFireX™ Technology
Expansion Slots4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8 or x8/x16/x8 or x8/x16/x8/x8)
1 x PCIe 2.0 x4
1 x mini-PCIe 2.0 x1
StorageIntel® Z87 chipset :
6 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), red
Support Raid 0, 1, 5, 10
Supports Intel® Smart Response Technology, Intel® Rapid Start Technology, Intel® Smart Connect Technology
Intel® Z87 chipset :
1 x M.2 (NGFF) Socket 2 on mPCIe Combo II expansion card(s), black
Support M.2 (NGFF) Type 2242 SSD card (22mm x 42mm), Support PCI express 2.0 x1 and SATA 6Gb/s standards
ASMedia® ASM1061 controller :
4 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), red
NetworkIntel® I217V, 1 x Gigabit LAN Controller
Wi-Fi 802.11a/b/g/n/ac
Supports dual band frequency 2.4/5 GHz
Bluetooth V4.0
Bluetooth V3.0+HS
AudioRealtek® ALC1150 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC
- Supports : Jack-detection, Multi-streaming, Front Panel Jack-retasking
Audio Feature :
- Blu-ray audio layer Content Protection 
- Optical S/PDIF out port(s) at back panel
USB PortsIntel® Z87 chipset :
4 x USB 3.0 port(s) (2 at back panel, blue, 2 at mid-board)
Intel® Z87 chipset :
8 x USB 2.0 port(s) (2 at back panel, black, 6 at mid-board)
ASMedia® USB 3.0 controller :
4 x USB 3.0 port(s) (4 at back panel, blue)
OC Panel2.6 " LCM display
EXTREME/NORMAL mode switch
EXTREME Mode for subzero OC benching:
- VGA Hotwire
- Subzero Sense
- Slow Mode
- Pause Switch
- VGA SMB header
- ProbeIt
- 4 x 4-pin extra fan connectors
NORMAL Mode for in-chassis usage:*8
- CPU Level Up OC button
- FanSpeed control button
- LCM backlight on/off button
I/O Ports:
- POWER:1 x SATA power connector
- ROG_EXT port:1 x 18-1 pin data connection port
ROG Exclusive FeaturesmPCIe Combo™ II (mPCIe/M.2 combo card)
ROG Connect :
- RC TweakIt
- RC Diagram
- RC Remote
- RC Poster
Extreme Engine Digi+ III :
- 8 + 2 phase power design
- NexFET™ Power Block MOSFET
- 60A BlackWing Chokes
- 10K Black Metallic Capacitors
ROG Extreme OC kit :
- Slow Mode
- LN2 Mode
- PCIe x16 Lane Switch
- EZ Plug
ProbeIt
UEFI BIOS features :
- ROG BIOS Print
- GPU.DIMM Post
- Tweakers' Paradise
- ROG SSD Secure Erase
ROG RAMDisk
Extreme Tweaker
Back I/O Ports1 x PS/2 keyboard/mouse combo port
1 x DisplayPort
1 x HDMI
1 x LAN (RJ45) port
6 x USB 3.0 (blue)
2 x USB 2.0 (one port can be switched to ROG Connect)
1 x Optical S/PDIF out
6 x Audio jack(s)
1 x Clear CMOS button(s)
1 x ROG Connect On/ Off switch
Internal I/O Ports1 x USB 3.0 connector(s) support(s) additional 2 USB 3.0 port(s)
3 x USB 2.0 connector(s) support(s) additional 6 USB 2.0 port(s)
10 x SATA 6Gb/s connector(s)
1 x CPU Fan connector
1 x CPU OPT Fan connector
3 x Chassis Fan connector(s)
3 x Optional Fan connector(s)
1 x S/PDIF out header
1 x 24-pin EATX Power connector
1 x 8-pin ATX 12V Power connector
1 x 4-pin ATX 12V Power connector
1 x 6-pin EZ_PLUG Power connector
1 x 4-pin EZ_PLUG Power connector
1 x Front panel audio connector (AAFP)
1 x System panel
1 x DirectKey Button
1 x DRCT header
1 x MemOK! button
1 x Slow Mode switch
10 x ProbeIt Measurement Points
3 x Thermal sensor connector(s)
1 x LN2 Mode header
1 x Power-on button
1 x Reset button
1 x BIOS Switch button
1 x FastBoot switch
1 x ROG extension (ROG_EXT) header
1 x mPCIe Combo II connector
AccessoriesUser's manual
I/O Shield
10 x SATA 6Gb/s cable(s)
1 x ASUS 2T2R dual band Wi-Fi moving antennas (Wi-Fi 802.11a/b/g/n/ac compliant)
1 x 3-Way SLI bridge(s)
1 x 4-Way SLI bridge(s)
1 x SLI bridge(s)
1 x CrossFire cable(s)
1 x Q-connector(s) (2 in 1)
1 x ROG Connect cable(s)
1 x 12 in 1 ROG Cable Label(s)
1 x mPCIe Combo II card(s) with dual-band WiFi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac + Bluetooth v4.0/3.0+HS module
1 x ROG Magnet
OC Panel Kit:
- 1 x OC Panel(s)
- 1 x OC Panel 5.25-inch bay metal case
- 1 x OC Panel Cable(s)
ManageabilityWfM2.0, DMI2.0, WOL by PME, PXE
Form FactorATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm )
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Most Recent Comments

20-06-2013, 16:59:00

tinytomlogan
Today we're going to review the latest top-line motherboard from ASUS, the ROG Z87 Maximus VI Extreme. For 330 this thing had better be good!


http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/artic...131912147l.JPG


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20-06-2013, 17:09:03

Feronix
Ohdear! Very curious, will read it in a bit

20-06-2013, 17:10:20

WillSK
Now i see what you meant when you said I'd change my mind about MoBo in the ultimate gaming rig thread. What a terrible price/performance ratio

20-06-2013, 17:12:05

SavageCupcake
Dear oh dear....

20-06-2013, 17:14:35

murphy7801
I find this totally unshocking tbh MSI and Gigabyte are stepping up there game ASUS hasnt done anything amazing in awhile.

20-06-2013, 17:16:57

OmegaStalker
Black and red is getting a bit done now needs a couple years off now anyways, the one with the thermal armor ROG board looks loads better anyways if your into thermal armor otherwise the MSI with the hints of yellow look good and the gigabyte boards are always good performers with decent looks for once with good customer support at anyrate Asus its time to stop Appling it out and cut your prices

20-06-2013, 17:18:39

WillSK
Quote:
Originally Posted by murphy7801 View Post
I find this totally unshocking tbh MSI and Gigabyte are stepping up there game ASUS hasnt done anything amazing in awhile.
true say. Asus doesn't seem to be taking many risks with their boards. Good ones at least (Gold motherboard anyone?)

MSI on the other hand have, improved price/performance ratios, removed unnecessary logos from motherboards, use quality black PCBs good components and have attractive BIOS layouts to boot (pun intended). Gigabyte too this generation seem to have produced some stunning looking boards, even more so with Tom's idea of alternating silver and coloured vengeance pro sticks.

MSI & Gigabyte really do appear to have it in the bag this time round.

20-06-2013, 17:44:00

chrismjurd
hmm, seems a shame though, if its really as cumbersome as your stating, at that price point, damn. Asus dropped it this time, though maybe overall a good thing, some consumers go to other companies, and giving Asus a good kick up the arse.

It seems some of the other reviews are just sucking the big one for Asus, how many are on the payroll?

btw, how much is a "glorified" LCD fan Controller?

20-06-2013, 17:45:14

Spiderz
Have ASUS lost the plot or something with the z87 series? Wonder how the Gene VI is going to turn out considering the pricing.

20-06-2013, 17:53:33

SieB
When it comes to 1155/1150 you don't need these higher priced boards, the mid range ones are plenty good.
The high end ones will just let you push the OC that little bit further, as in a couple of hundred mhz.

Asus has defo dropped the ball on this one though, the top MSI and Giga boards, even though are just as expensive, do actually offer that bit extra for the money. Even if it's not that much over the mid range ones, they do still offer that bit more.

Asus have lost their way with their 1150 boards, first the nasty black and gold boards and now this. They need to pull it back for the next lot of motherboards for Haswell-E and Broadwell next year.

Hope this doesn't turn into another NZXT situation

20-06-2013, 18:14:12

AndyM95
Nice board but gets outclassed Gigabytes offerings yet again in my opinion. The only platform I'd get an Asus board on now would be 2011. Gigabyte have the best AM3+, 1155 and 1150 boards.

20-06-2013, 18:37:02

Mgutierrez33
I'm wondering if the wonky BIOS issues you guys had and the different BIOS that you got has anything to do with the frankly disappointing story with this board? Most likely not, but it's something to consider. Either way for that price there's no way you'd catch me spending on it. A shame, too. I have one of their Maximus IV Gene boards and it was priced right and performs admirably well. Oh well, they can't all be hits I suppose.

20-06-2013, 19:56:57

Excalabur50
Such a shame about Asus dropping the ball with there stuff, and with Haswell really makes you wonder if there is any point to buying ANY manufacturers high end boards especially the overclocking boards as the chips can't really overclock from what I'm hearing and FULL KUDOS to Tom for his honesty and unbiased opinion and not being scared to openly say it.

20-06-2013, 20:40:13

nippinpippin
Just a thought guys and gals, but I'd really like to know how the Gigabyte and MSi's premium priced boards perform in relation to the Asus Maximus VI Extreme before I condemn Asus to the scrap heap.
For example the Gigabyte Z87X-OC Force is 460!!! and the MSI Z87 XPower is 350, it may not just be Asus Maximus Extreme, which by the way is 340 (OCUK prices).
I'd really like to see the results to see if it is Asus or that the top end boards really are poor in terms of performance gains vs price.
Any chance of these being tested Tom?
By the way I have both Asus and MSi boards before I get any fanboy comments. I also think Asus has lost the plot with its range of Gold Z87 P series boards, my god who thought of that.

21-06-2013, 00:23:38

Vicey
This was a really interesting review. I've had countless Asus motherboards over the years and I really love their products but it's clear this is a total disaster. 330 is a lot to ask for an LGA1155 Haswell motherboard in my opinion even with Quad-SLI support and PCIe switches.

As you can see in my signature I have the Rampage IV Extreme and it came with that OC Key thing which is completely useless to me.

Just to go on a bit of a teeny-tiny rant, The Rampage IV Extreme (X79 board) cost about 340 retail I think. And it came with this OC Key which has a DVI pass-through to show you your overclocks, fan speeds and temperatures on your PC screen as an on-screen display. The key is so long that if you use it your PC case has to be like 9 inches away from the wall and it doesn't support Dual-Link DVI.

Now who in their right mind is going to spend 340 + 220-440 on a Mobo + CPU on X79 and not be using a 27" 2560x1440 or 30" 2560x1600 display? The reason I say this is because those displays use DVI-Dual Link, it has twice as many metal contacts on the DVI connector as normal DVI and thus makes those screens completely incompatible with the OC Key.

So not only do you need to move your case 9 inches forward, you need to be using a 24" or smaller display and they make you pay for that key thing regardless if you can use it or not.

It is gimmicks like that which mar their otherwise good reputation and I was pretty disappointed to see them bundling yet more useless shit like that with this Maximus VI Extreme. Not only does it cost you money to get something none of us would use but it is poorly designed with the cover easily coming off and the SATA cable at the bottom.

This board and the general direction Asus has been going in for the past year seems at odds with who they should be. Gimmicky rubbish, overpriced underperforming boards. And I agree with tom that they are seriously misjudging the market by aiming these Republic of Gamer boards at hardcore overclockers, that makes no sense to me because people who are going for record attempts don't want all this extra fluff. Gigabytes OC boards get what hardcore overclockers want they keep it as sparse as possible as not to burden the processor with extra faff, sticking things like sub zero temperature sensors on these RoG boards makes no sense to me whatsoever.

If I was advising Asus right now I'd say get rid of these Overclocking accessories, they are a waste of time and make a new brand for hardcore overclockers, sticking RoG in with that crowd is doing a disservices to both camps.

21-06-2013, 05:05:39

antihero
Damn, he tore this a new one.. no ROG for me this time it seems.

21-06-2013, 07:54:03

svinogidiot
Just had a look at the different reviews posted there. The 5 reviews manages to compare the maximus to as much as 2 (two) different z87 motherboards...
one is the intel one, which sucks, and the other is the asus gryphon z87 which delivers performance within 1 percent of the maximus and often to the maximus disadvantage.
So a huge thumbs up from me for actually comparing it to z87 boards, instead of saying how much better it is compared to a z77 or older.

http://rog.asus.com/241982013/maximu...eview-roundup/

21-06-2013, 08:12:18

murphy7801
TBH the last board I liked from ASUS was the rampage extreme 3 maybe the black edition of it aswell. Sure there sabertooth range seems solid but they dont seem to take any risk's MSI's changing there product range into 3 colour coded catorgies was big. Mpower series was bold move colour and market wise but I like it. Asus dont seem to have anything but revised designs from previous gens and seem to be looking for ways to make short cuts.

21-06-2013, 08:20:30

alcoholocaust
It's actually refreshing to hear a negative review of something of this profile. Integrity is unfortunately lacking in most of the industry.

21-06-2013, 09:12:28

son of spanner
asus do make some nice things if I was asus I don't think id have the balls to ask anyone to buy this mobo

I hope thay don't take what tom said to hart and go back to building good mobo,s

21-06-2013, 09:15:22

gerard1021
All that money and you still can't run two video cards at pcie x 16...What a waste...Four out of five voices agree.

21-06-2013, 09:34:15

murphy7801
Agreed the chip to do would be justified on cost.

21-06-2013, 09:46:18

mikeyc33
Glad I got the GD65 Gaming even more now, for once in my life I got something right

21-06-2013, 10:30:34

badtaylorx
tom dont be supprised if Asus isnt hedging their bets on the Max6 gene and the brand new for ROG Max6 Impact...

please dont skip those two lil ones based on the performance of its father still drunk off of past glory....

21-06-2013, 11:21:24

Buckster
thanks for the review

21-06-2013, 11:35:46

ahpadt
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderz View Post
Have ASUS lost the plot or something with the z87 series? Wonder how the Gene VI is going to turn out considering the pricing.
x2

I just got my Maximus 6 Gene through the door yesterday. This review made me nervous, although the pricing is obviously a big factor to why the review was so bad for the Extreme. A mobo must be pretty sick to be worth 300+

21-06-2013, 11:39:09

Buckster
if its anything like my Gene V - don't be

best motherboard I've had - can't believe the performance, overclocking options, and features from a board so compact

22-06-2013, 06:23:01

murphy7801
I think you ment lga1150?

22-06-2013, 08:32:32

Chopper3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mgutierrez33 View Post
I'm wondering if the wonky BIOS issues you guys had and the different BIOS that you got has anything to do with the frankly disappointing story with this board? Most likely not, but it's something to consider. Either way for that price there's no way you'd catch me spending on it. A shame, too. I have one of their Maximus IV Gene boards and it was priced right and performs admirably well. Oh well, they can't all be hits I suppose.
Have you OC'ed the Gene yet? I have one too, with a 4770K, and when I use the 4-way Optimisation thing it will happily sit at 4.6Ghz running OCCT at around 88C but it sets the voltage to 1.3v - which everyone seems to think makes it run too hot. Just wondering if you've had any similar experiences? Thanks.

22-06-2013, 14:50:14

Feronix
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
Yes MVIE is expensive but for those demanding the best that is already 15%+ we have in terms of performance increase above the rest. All the benches need redoing and the correct values placed in to reflect the true scores with the actual potential of the board. The reviewer has limited the capabilities of the board for some reason???

This is merely a few mistakes within this article in all it is a very short sighted and ill informed review end of!!!

Those considering M6G its a powerhouse so great choice!!
Ohdear, Asus employees creating forum accounts to rage now?!

22-06-2013, 14:54:25

8pack
Nope I am not employed by ASUS!!

The review is incorrect!!! and I am pointing this out with evidence to show why.

The reviewer has cramped the abilities of the board to those exhibited by other boards!!! and not let the M6E do what its good at.

22-06-2013, 15:04:25

Feronix
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
Nope I am not employed by ASUS!!

The review is incorrect!!! and I am pointing this out with evidence to show why.

The reviewer has cramped the abilities of the board to those exhibited by other boards!!! and not let the M6E do what its good at.
Then what exactly is it good at?

PS: If you actually don't work for Asus (and you're actually just a massive fanboy), maybe you shouldn't type 'we' as if you created the board

22-06-2013, 15:25:31

8pack
Ease of Overclocking.

Getting the full benefits from hardware with minimum fuss.

Great AUTO rules in Bios for Uncore and DRAM overclocking.

Great AUTO rules for BLK clocking. Haswell has BLK option did OC3D know???

DDR2600 - DDR3200 efficient.

Excellent and endless tuning options.

Perfect for LN2 and other extreme cooling.

The list is actually very long if you actually test the board correctly.

I mean come on ES4770K are vastly different to retail and this review still includes ES!!! Oh dear me!!!

22-06-2013, 15:30:14

Feronix
Oh really? Cause from what I've read the board has issues even running 2400MHz RAM! Let alone that the MSI GD-65 Gaming and even a Gigabyte m-ATX board overclock better than the MVIE

Who the ef actually uses LN2 for an everyday/gaming rig? As Tom said, only extreme overclockers use that and they get their hardware for free from sponsors (like Asus themselves)!

The ES4770k may be different to retail, I honestly don't know, but he used the same chip on the MSI and Gigabyte boards and they both performed better

What are you even trying to accomplish by posting here?

22-06-2013, 17:18:35

Xavi C
I was quite surprised about Tom's negative review, so I went ahead and checked other reviews online:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages..._review,1.html
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Motherb...erboard-Review
http://www.overclockers.com/asus-max...erboard-review

That's a total of 3 good reviews and 1 bad. Awaiting HardOCP's.

22-06-2013, 17:27:24

vorticalbox
tom will get the hardware as is and then test, if asus sent him a bad one that is their fault. tom can only post results based on the testing of the hardware he was given, to say his results are "incorrect" is totally with out justification.

22-06-2013, 17:37:49

Feronix
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavi C View Post
I was quite surprised about Tom's negative review, so I went ahead and checked other reviews online:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages..._review,1.html
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Motherb...erboard-Review
http://www.overclockers.com/asus-max...erboard-review

That's a total of 3 good reviews and 1 bad. Awaiting HardOCP's.
I was surprised too and normally I would believe many voices over one but a few points are making me insecure about this.

One review didn't even post benchmarks, one compared it to the Gryphon who's performance was on-par and the last one compared it to the Intel board that was on par as well! O_o'

Not to mention that one of them started their conclusion with 'I would like to thank our friends at Asus for sending us the board'...

It's still a nice board with an awful lot of features, but if it performs the same as boards half the price then where does this price tag come from? It does come with a shit tonne of accessories and I guess the OC panel adds to the cost as well but really? How many people will actually USE that panel? Cause in my own personal opinion, it's just a little toy that you don't really need :s

22-06-2013, 18:10:42

Xavi C
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feronix View Post
It's still a nice board with an awful lot of features, but if it performs the same as boards half the price then where does this price tag come from? I does come with a shit tonne of accessories and I guess the OC panel adds to the cost as well but really? How many people will actually USE that panel? Cause is my own personal opinion, it's just a little toy that you don't really need :s
The price represents exclusivity, and since most mid-range Z87 boards are packed with features, they had to take different angle. I would never use the OC panel, but I wouldn't let that amount of money go for a motherboard either.

In general, it feels like Asus arrived late: that OC panel doesn't look like it was well thought, and the software (bios) is probably still under heavy development.

22-06-2013, 19:58:52

NRG!
That silly tamagochi panel is the height of fail.

22-06-2013, 21:21:42

SPS
Quote:
Originally Posted by NRG! View Post
That silly tamagochi panel is the height of fail.
Don't be using Tamagotchi in a derogatory sense

23-06-2013, 00:33:39

Vicey
Quote:
Originally Posted by NRG! View Post
That silly tamagochi panel is the height of fail.
If you don't feed it, your PC will die.

23-06-2013, 05:51:39

Deejeta
Wonder what the RRP wouldve been without the stupid hand console gimmick... Either way Im happy to stay away from the whole haswell scene. Im well happy with sandybridge still.

23-06-2013, 06:28:35

8pack
Still where is uncore overclocking, where is BLK, where is RAM. Where is??? This is the most delibrate attempt to cramp the positives of a board by limiting the scope.

I wonder if ASUS asked the reviewer for the board back after the review was completed when he normally gets to keep the board?? maybe he took the huff???

Interesting!!!

Hey on another point the OC panel is costing very little. Compare the price of this board to the top end Giga and MSI and its more than competitively priced. The Giga is actually around 480.

The OC panel for me is great. RAM on LN2 and all the buttons on the board freeze up and become unusable. The panel means you can do everything and more without issue. It also allows for two temp probes. Four Fans and VGA hotwire at no extra cost to a comparable High end board.

23-06-2013, 06:39:57

Chopper3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
Still where is uncore overclocking, where is BLK, where is RAM. Where is??? This is the most delibrate attempt to cramp the positives of a board by limiting the scope.

I wonder if ASUS asked the reviewer for the board back after the review was completed when he normally gets to keep the board he took the huff???

Interesting!!!

Hey on another point the OC panel is costing very little. Compare the price of this board to the top end Giga and MSI and its more than competitively priced. The Giga is actually around 480.
Interesting or baseless speculation?

I'm a big Asus ROG fan, I've got a VI Gene right now in fact but after reading computer product reviews for nearly 35 years now I'm not sure I've come across someone I trust as much in this respect as TTL. If you watch any of his videos it's quite clear that if he had any predetermined intent about a product he simply wouldn't be able to hide it, it'd spill out at some point during his reviews/rambles

I trust the guy, even in the face of my own very positive VI ROG experience - whereas you, well you've just popped up and have only commented on this subject. I'm not saying you're an Asus plant, perhaps just a zealot - but you and your behaviour on this board, so far, leave nothing but a strong taste of bitterness or untrustworthiness - sorry but I don't think anyone's going to pay you or your opinions a jot of respect.

23-06-2013, 06:46:15

8pack
^^LOL!!

Come on man!! You trust him more than yourself??

Buy the top rated board by TTL try it against M6G which you have. Then you will see.

Try CPU Overclock, RAM overclock, BLK, Uncore.

Tune the RAM abit. See what performance increase you get with M6G.

Dont discount my opinion unless you can test what I am saying. The problem is most cant test what the reviewers say. If they could then maybe there opinions would be different.

I.E Just test the fundamentals of Haswell overclocking is that too much to ask.

23-06-2013, 06:49:30

Vicey
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
Still where is uncore overclocking, where is BLK, where is RAM. Where is??? This is the most delibrate attempt to cramp the positives of a board by limiting the scope.

I wonder if ASUS asked the reviewer for the board back after the review was completed when he normally gets to keep the board?? maybe he took the huff???

Interesting!!!

Hey on another point the OC panel is costing very little. Compare the price of this board to the top end Giga and MSI and its more than competitively priced. The Giga is actually around 480.

The OC panel for me is great. RAM on LN2 and all the buttons on the board freeze up and become unusable. The panel means you can do everything and more without issue. It also allows for two temp probes. Four Fans and VGA hotwire at no extra cost to a comparable High end board.
You are obviously tied to Asus in some way. Even I can see that.

23-06-2013, 06:50:11

yggdrasil
Would be interested in a revisit after a few Bios updates but they OC panel to anyone is nothing more than just a Fan speed and CPU temp display nothing more.
As for the Wifi I would love wireless but its just not at the speeds for us yet.

23-06-2013, 06:52:56

WillSK
You also have to consider that a big point TTL made in the video was the factor of price/performance ratio. As others have already mentioned there are boards that are arguably as good for the uses we would have for half the price. You mention LN2 etc. but none of us game, render etc. on LN2

23-06-2013, 07:18:04

Feronix
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
Buy the top rated board by TTL try it against M6G which you have. Then you will see.

Try CPU Overclock, RAM overclock, BLK, Uncore.

Tune the RAM abit. See what performance increase you get with M6G.

Dont discount my opinion unless you can test what I am saying. The problem is most cant test what the reviewers say. If they could then maybe there opinions would be different.

I.E Just test the fundamentals of Haswell overclocking is that too much to ask.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...sonPopcorn.gif

- You just say that cause you know none of us is going to buy a new motherboard just to compare it to ROG stuff.

- TTL Overclocked the CPU; It was nothing better than the G1 Sniper M5 or MSI GD65 Gaming. In other reviews it also performed on par as Asus' own Gryphon board and even the Intel DZ87KLT-75K.

Please allow me to post some benchies from other reviewers:

http://www.pcper.com/files/imagecach...inebench_0.png

http://www.pcper.com/files/imagecach.../pcmark7_0.png

http://www.overclockers.com/wp-conte...ph-300x246.jpg

http://www.overclockers.com/wp-conte...ph-300x246.jpg

http://www.overclockers.com/wp-conte...ph-300x246.jpg

- The RAM had trouble even going 2400 MHz. Surely it could be a faulty board or bios issue, but don't blame the reviewer when Asus sends them a product that doesn't work properly.

- Why do we have to test what YOU'RE saying? If you want to prove your point, you have to do the work. Then come back and go jehova on us some more

23-06-2013, 10:48:56

superglu
Whoever wrote this review did not go into it with an unbiased point of view. This is clear just from the condescending tone.

"For 330 this thing had better be good!"

"According to the ASUS website the Maximus VI has five PCIe 3.0 slots, which obviously isn't the case. Someone needs to proof read."

"Considering the price we'd have liked to see a little more flair in the heatsink design too, rather than just a heavily-finned black lump."

"Someone needs to teach the R&D department about levers and the centre of gravity."

23-06-2013, 10:54:26

vorticalbox
Quote:
Originally Posted by superglu View Post
Whoever wrote this review did not go into it with an unbiased point of view. This is clear just from the condescending tone.

"For 330 this thing had better be good!"

"According to the ASUS website the Maximus VI has five PCIe 3.0 slots, which obviously isn't the case. Someone needs to proof read."

"Considering the price we'd have liked to see a little more flair in the heatsink design too, rather than just a heavily-finned black lump."

"Someone needs to teach the R&D department about levers and the centre of gravity."
i don't see how any makes it a biased review.

1) for double the price it should be better than products half it's price

2) it says 5 and it has 4, they do need to proof read.

3) he commented that lower priced products went and made their heat sinks look better than just fins.

4) if that hand device thing can't stand up when connected, they do need to rethink the product.


out of all the reviews about about Tom is by far the "fairest" of them all.

23-06-2013, 11:02:38

Vicey
Quote:
Originally Posted by superglu View Post
Whoever wrote this review did not go into it with an unbiased point of view. This is clear just from the condescending tone.

"For 330 this thing had better be good!"

"According to the ASUS website the Maximus VI has five PCIe 3.0 slots, which obviously isn't the case. Someone needs to proof read."

"Considering the price we'd have liked to see a little more flair in the heatsink design too, rather than just a heavily-finned black lump."

"Someone needs to teach the R&D department about levers and the centre of gravity."
http://i.imgur.com/weQmT0r.png

Wonder how much these guys are paid.

23-06-2013, 11:24:10

Feronix
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicey View Post
http://i.imgur.com/weQmT0r.png

Wonder how much these guys are paid.
Maybe we should just ignore these employees/affiliated people/enormous fanboys...

It might even be the same guy

23-06-2013, 12:59:01

raxx666
The review on PCPer.com didn't even talk about overclocking. Maybe they had issues too.

23-06-2013, 15:06:03

NRG!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
Still where is uncore overclocking, where is BLK, where is RAM. Where is??? This is the most delibrate attempt to cramp the positives of a board by limiting the scope.

I wonder if ASUS asked the reviewer for the board back after the review was completed when he normally gets to keep the board?? maybe he took the huff???

Interesting!!!

Hey on another point the OC panel is costing very little. Compare the price of this board to the top end Giga and MSI and its more than competitively priced. The Giga is actually around 480.

The OC panel for me is great. RAM on LN2 and all the buttons on the board freeze up and become unusable. The panel means you can do everything and more without issue. It also allows for two temp probes. Four Fans and VGA hotwire at no extra cost to a comparable High end board.
It was outperformed by the other boards.

Everyone knows that every gen the maximus extreme is a bit of a joke, cmon be serious. I had the iv z68 version and I got exactly the same cpu overclock on a zz7a gd65 from msi (for half the price).

That's why normally it gets the performance award, but if it arrives for review and clearly has issues it's not going to get that, is it? TBH the board must have been faulty..

TTL reviews for a community with a large ability range, not a select few hardcore overclockers that frankly DON'T NEED to watch the review. His advice would always be to buy an appropriately priced board because the vast majority of those watching are gamers.

The ROG branding needs to be stripped off these boards and applied to better priced boards with actual gaming features and not pointless LN2 overclocking guff

23-06-2013, 15:06:20

stargatesg1fan
Quote:
Originally Posted by vorticalbox View Post
i don't see how any makes it a biased review.
2) it says 5 and it has 4, they do need to proof read.
According to TTLs review and everything, there are 5 pci slots, plus the mini one for the wifi/m.2 stuff. I'm looking at the board and counting 6 lanes plus the mini slot. Who is lying TTL or the product? TTL, I think you might need to go back to school and learn to count on this one. Either that or you need some binoculars for those eyes. Take a look at a damn picture of the product, and to be honest this biased review even calls into question the results that TTL got.

23-06-2013, 15:35:35

vorticalbox
Quote:
Originally Posted by stargatesg1fan View Post
According to TTLs review and everything, there are 5 pci slots, plus the mini one for the wifi/m.2 stuff. I'm looking at the board and counting 6 lanes. Who is lying TTL or the product? TTL, I think you might need to go back to school and learn to count on this one. Either that or you need some binoculars for those eyes.
i think you need to go back to school and learn to read. the review said and i'll quote it for you

"According to the ASUS website the Maximus VI has five PCIe 3.0 slots, which obviously isn't the case. Someone needs to proof read."

asus said it had 5 PCIe 3.0, anyone can see there are 5 slots but they are NOT all PCIe 3 as asus website said.

23-06-2013, 15:53:37

stargatesg1fan
Quote:
Originally Posted by vorticalbox View Post
i think you need to go back to school and learn to read. the review said and i'll quote it for you

"According to the ASUS website the Maximus VI has five PCIe 3.0 slots, which obviously isn't the case. Someone needs to proof read."

asus said it had 5 PCIe 3.0, anyone can see there are 5 slots but they are NOT all PCIe 3 as asus website said.
4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8 or x8/x16/x8 or x8/x16/x8/x8)
1 x PCIe 2.0 x4
1 x mini-PCIe 2.0 x1

That is a copy and paste FROM his review. Now please take a look at a picture of the board for me, and count all the PCI slots that you see. All reds are 3.0, the single full slot black is 3.0 and only used in dual GPU setup. The single 2.0 slot is the x4 slot. Have you seen the board yet, without slots populated? I can count, can you. 6 slots lower, one mini-pcie for the wifi/m.2 module. How many does that make? 7. How many does TTLs review state, 6. Please continue to look like an ass.

psst, do you one better.

http://www.pcper.com/files/imagecach...M6E%203D_0.jpg

Quote:
Originally Posted by vorticalbox View Post
i think you need to go back to school and learn to read. the review said and i'll quote it for you

"According to the ASUS website the Maximus VI has five PCIe 3.0 slots, which obviously isn't the case. Someone needs to proof read."

asus said it had 5 PCIe 3.0, anyone can see there are 5 slots but they are NOT all PCIe 3 as asus website said.
Dude, you really don't want to get into this.

http://www.pcper.com/files/imagecach...M6E%203D_0.jpg

count the slots for me. 6 down low, one high = 7. 4xred 3.0, 1xblack 3.0 (full length native to CPU afaik) used for dual gpu setup, and then the 2.0 x4, and the mini up top for the wifi/m.2 module.

From TTL review

4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8 or x8/x16/x8 or x8/x16/x8/x8)
1 x PCIe 2.0 x4
1 x mini-PCIe 2.0 x1

Pictures are worth a thousand words, count for me, please, I want you to.

23-06-2013, 15:58:54

Feronix
Quote:
Originally Posted by vorticalbox View Post
i think you need to go back to school and learn to read. the review said and i'll quote it for you

"According to the ASUS website the Maximus VI has five PCIe 3.0 slots, which obviously isn't the case. Someone needs to proof read."

asus said it had 5 PCIe 3.0, anyone can see there are 5 slots but they are NOT all PCIe 3 as asus website said.
Dude, probably best to let it go. They/He keep(s) making new accounts just to mention the same thing over and over again and when you prove them wrong they ignore your post and continue to bitch over the same thing.

Guess we should just let them be stupid and if it gets too bad (spammy) a mod will have to clean up the thread. Ignoring them would be best

23-06-2013, 16:02:12

stargatesg1fan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feronix View Post
Dude, probably best to let it go. They/He keep(s) making new accounts just to mention the same thing over and over again and when you prove them wrong they ignore your post and continue to bitch over the same thing.

Guess we should just let them be stupid and if it gets too bad (spammy) a mod will have to clean up the thread. Ignoring them would be best
I am not spamming, nor am I someone else. I made this account fresh and have never had an account with this forum. Come check me out on Linustechtips (afa7336), and accusations like that are made by people that have nothing to defend with. The moderators are more then welcome to compare IPs to me and anyone else. Hell I will even tell you outright, I currently reside in Northeast Raleigh, NC, USA and am not affilated in any way shape or form with Asus. Hell totally different fields of business for crying out loud. Baseless accusations should be frowned upon. I came up with that information on my own after looking at pictures, and the review. Its sad when someone has to try and get someone banned from a forum because they don't agree with them.

23-06-2013, 16:06:39

vorticalbox
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feronix View Post
Dude, probably best to let it go. They/He keep(s) making new accounts just to mention the same thing over and over again and when you prove them wrong they ignore your post and continue to bitch over the same thing.

Guess we should just let them be stupid and if it gets too bad (spammy) a mod will have to clean up the thread. Ignoring them would be best
it was more that he took a jab at me more than anything :P and he ignored me twice now :P

23-06-2013, 16:09:51

stargatesg1fan
Quote:
Originally Posted by vorticalbox View Post
i think you need to go back to school and learn to read. the review said and i'll quote it for you

"According to the ASUS website the Maximus VI has five PCIe 3.0 slots, which obviously isn't the case. Someone needs to proof read."

asus said it had 5 PCIe 3.0, anyone can see there are 5 slots but they are NOT all PCIe 3 as asus website said.
Go find a picture through google image search and count versus the review please.

(4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8 or x8/x16/x8 or x8/x16/x8/x8)
1 x PCIe 2.0 x4
1 x mini-PCIe 2.0 x1

source: Review)

BTW that black 3.0 slot, that would be, oh thats right for dual gpu use and is native to the cpu just like the top red slot is native. Now look at the slots and count them 4 red full length, 1 full length black, 1 x4 slot, and the mini slot at the top. Count them for me that would be seven in total, yet the review has only 6 listed, smells fishy. What I can't say that is wrong and inaccurate?

Edit: Now, I have given you all the evidence I can, without you actually holding a board in your hand. How about now, you face facts and admit the review is wrong. Based on this, I have every right to say things, and every right to question not only the review but the results that TTL got. Why? Because when you make statements like that, that are so blatently false, it does call into question things. Either he lied, or he is dumb and blind. The attitude, is pretty much the same TTL has for Asus, so don't like it, meh whatever. So in closing, take a look for yourself and do research and don't just read one review and think you have all the facts. Pictures are worth a thousand words, go look at one. I have responded to you with evidence twice now, will you ignore facts and call names or will you admit that maybe TTL was wrong, at the very least?

23-06-2013, 16:44:57

vorticalbox
Quote:
Originally Posted by stargatesg1fan View Post
Go find a picture through google image search and count versus the review please.

(4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8 or x8/x16/x8 or x8/x16/x8/x8)
1 x PCIe 2.0 x4
1 x mini-PCIe 2.0 x1

source: Review)

BTW that black 3.0 slot, that would be, oh thats right for dual gpu use and is native to the cpu just like the top red slot is native. Now look at the slots and count them 4 red full length, 1 full length black, 1 x4 slot, and the mini slot at the top. Count them for me that would be seven in total, yet the review has only 6 listed, smells fishy. What I can't say that is wrong and inaccurate?
site says 5 PCIe 3 slots and you just said yourself right in that there are not FIVE PCIe 3.0 SLOTS.

count them over and over till the end of time if you like but you will never count 5 PCIe 3.0 slots as the website stats.

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/MAX...REME/#overview

go see yourself there only 6 slots in total not 7.

23-06-2013, 17:04:13

stargatesg1fan
5 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8 or x8/x16/x8 or x8/x16/x8/x8) *1
1 x PCIe 2.0 x4
1 x mini-PCIe 2.0 x1 *2

*2: The mini-PCIe slot is pre-installed with a Wi-Fi/Bluetooth module on mPCIe Combo II expansion card.

Now looking at the board I see 4 red PCIe 3.0 slots, 1 PCIe black 3.0 slot and 1 PCIe 2.0 black x4 slot, and 1 mini-PCIe slot. Is that not what you are seeing in your own link? I think buddy, you just made my point for me? Because by your counting, you forgot to include the full length black PCIe slot. Or does that slot not magically appear for you. 6 down below, 1 up top... 6+1=7 in my book. How about this, let me help you understand it visually here. Here is what TTL has stated basically i DOT imgur DOT com/fkkdEvN DOT jpg and here is what it really is i DOT imgur DOT com/aUL3bHJ DOT jpg

23-06-2013, 17:11:54

Spiderz
The confusion here is that there are 5 full length ones (4 red, 1 black) and one short black one. These are all in the usual PCIe area and these are the ones most people are going to quickly spot. Took me quite a bit to find this mystery mPCIe one but it is not where anyone is going to bother looking for a PCI slot: right above the I/O. From the sounds of it too, that spot should always be filled with the Wifi stuff that comes with the board and not used for any much else as I've never heard of anything else using that standard.

23-06-2013, 17:16:52

SPS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderz View Post
The confusion here is that there are 5 full length ones (4 red, 1 black) and one short black one. These are all in the usual PCIe area and these are the ones most people are going to quickly spot. Took me quite a bit to find this mystery mPCIe one but it is not where anyone is going to bother looking for a PCI slot: right above the I/O. From the sounds of it too, that spot should always be filled with the Wifi stuff that comes with the board and not used for any much else as I've never heard of anything else using that standard.
You can get mPCIE SSDs.

23-06-2013, 17:36:10

Spiderz
My mistake then, only ever really bothered looking at SATA SSDs

23-06-2013, 18:06:40

Chopper3
To be fair, and not to feed the troll (creating new accounts doesn't exactly strengthen your argument you know mister troll) but he's right about the slots.

This is from the manual;

5 x PCI Express 3.0*/2.0 x16 slots (single at native x16, dual at x8/x8**, triple at x8/x16/x8, quad at x8/x16/x8/x8)
1 x PCI Express 2.0 x4 slot
1 x mini-PCI Express 2.0 x1 slot*** on mPCIe Combo II expansion card

Plus also from the manual (sorry about the formating);

Slot No.
Slot Description
1
PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16/x8_1 slot
2
PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16_A2 slot
3
PCIe 3.0/2.0 x8_B2 slot
4
PCIe 3.0/2.0 x8_3 slot
5
PCIe 2.0/1.1 x4_1 slot
6
PCIe 3.0/2.0 x8_4 slot

That said he's still something of a tw**

23-06-2013, 18:09:27

Ghosthud1
Is it me or is everyone missing the real issues and nit picking at shite that doesn't even matter.

23-06-2013, 18:12:33

stargatesg1fan
I'll say this one last time, and thats it. This is my first and only account, I am not a troll, and I did not make a new account. Have the mods check my IP, and when they tell you they don't match and aren't even close to matching, will you apologize or will you not say anything?

23-06-2013, 18:17:14

Josh Weston
Alright lads, time to calm it down. It's a Sunday, damn it.

Just because a member is new does not mean that they're here explicitly to spam. Just because you think a reviewer has made a mistake does not mean that they are bias in anyway. Things have got too heated here and i'm getting reports chucked in left and right.

Some of the newest among us must realise that mistakes happen and are extremely easy to make. Miscounting a PCIe lane (and I really don't care if your claim is true or false) does not give credence to the entire review being off, and nor does it mean that the reviewer's character should be anyway besmirched.

Tom has been heralded as being either dumb or blind in one of the previous posts and this shall not be stood for. Everyone can speak their mind but that does not mean you can be rude, nor that you're immune from the consequences of what you speak.

To the older members: just because someone's critical of something does not mean they're spammers. Criticism is a part of life and you can't start pointing fingers at people and calling them out. The pack mentality of the site's members is something that's been witnessed on many occasions, and it's as unwanted now as it has been in the past.
We expect the most out of you guys as you're the ones who've been here a while. You know the rule of the roost so we expect an example to be set.

This is not merely a forum. This is a community. A community built of those from all walks of life with a common interest. Your actions have the ability to invite or repel new users from joining us. This is not to say that you're not allowed to speak your mind or defend against those who you believe to be detrimental to the site at large, but it does mean that everyone needs to grow up and start being civil.

Any more shenanigans and punitive action shall be taken. Feel free to message me if you want to discuss this further. I shall be PMing those involved personally but I want this to go on no more.
At the very least, one more recorded PCIe lane isn't going to elevate the end result in any way whatsoever.

23-06-2013, 18:22:12

McG
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
Compare the price of this board to the top end Giga and MSI and its more than competitively priced. The Giga is actually around 480.
Yes, but the competition actually works as advertised. Premium price for a premium product - in Asus' case turned up to be mediocre at best.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
The OC panel for me is great. RAM on LN2 and all the buttons on the board freeze up and become unusable. The panel means you can do everything and more without issue. It also allows for two temp probes. Four Fans and VGA hotwire at no extra cost to a comparable High end board.
Give it a rest. WR OCers still use old-school PS2 (cheap) peripherals and you're selling ROG tricorder as a mainstream must-have.

BTW some food for thought...
Quote:
Asus and Pegatron are headed for a complete split as far as motherboards and notebooks are concerned. Following reports of ASUSTek divesting in its former part and partner after split, Pegatron, ASUS plans to end manufacturing of its motherboards by it. ASUS will find other ODMs, such as Cal-Comp, ECS, Global-Brands Manufacture, and Info-Tek Corp.

23-06-2013, 18:34:26

murphy7801
Think ultimately people will vote with there wallets if doesn't sell well Asus will re think it because they run a business.

23-06-2013, 18:44:54

bigusdickus
The board has achieved many world records at computer 2013.

Can the reviewer explain why this is and why he has failed to deliver in his review?

23-06-2013, 21:26:32

Ghosthud1
Do you have any non LN2 results, air specifically?

As a gamer im still having trouble recognizing asus's standpoint on gamers.

23-06-2013, 21:31:02

stargatesg1fan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghosthud1 View Post
Do you have any non LN2 results, air specifically?

As a gamer im still having trouble recognizing asus's standpoint on gamers.
The Extreme isn't really Marketed towards gamers, though it carries the ROG label. That's a misconception, though gamers that want the best of the best can use it without issue. While it can be used for gamers, their gamer Mobos would be the Formula and down. (The ones with Supreme FX audio.) All motherboards that can run, IMO, 2xGPUs and a PCI soundcard is a gamer Mobo.

23-06-2013, 21:39:15

Ghosthud1
Honestly i stopped reading into platforms just before ivy's launch, think im going to get some reading done about haswell as that seems to be the main issue, that people don't fully understand it yet.

23-06-2013, 21:51:26

McG
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
The point made by the poster above is correct why did the board deliver so well at computex. When others did not?
Others didn't use thoroughbred Pegasus for cooling?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
I have just posted 6.45 CPU,5.9Uncore nearly DDR2600 C6 oh and BLK 129 easy! So have indeed backed up my point!
Quite. Still the majority of potential buyers/end users are going to end up using nothing-special retail CPUs combined with standard air and AIO water cooling assembled in a desktop case. Feel free to tell them how you can get Haswell running on 8.0GHz using the exact same motherboard in only 5min.

24-06-2013, 00:21:33

Undermoose
Gotta say, I think this review was from someone who got pissed off at ASUS for some unknown reason and stuck it to them as best he could.

The review is worthless.

I love my ASUS MVIE, simple install, everything works, and great build quality.

24-06-2013, 04:11:37

Deejeta
Excellent post Mr Josh Weston my thoughts exactly.

24-06-2013, 04:11:52

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Undermoose View Post
Gotta say, I think this review was from someone who got pissed off at ASUS for some unknown reason and stuck it to them as best he could.

The review is worthless.

I love my ASUS MVIE, simple install, everything works, and great build quality.

It works thats fine, but you have got nothing people who paid half the price have got too. THATS the point.

24-06-2013, 04:41:55

Vicey
Am I the only one that is surprised people are even willing to pay 330 on a motherboard for what is effectively a midrange socket?

I mean if you're going to pay that kind of money you might aswell just go LGA 2011 / X79 with a 3930K. I just don't "get" it.

And as I said previously if this motherboard is not meant for Gamers but is in-fact meant for world record attempt overclockers then Asus should move it out of the Republic of Gamers brand because OC'ers using LN2 are such a niche and this board so overpriced for the average joe that it makes no sense for OC3D to even review it, as Tom pointed out, those guys going for world records will be given the board for free making a review for them pointless and as we already have seen for normal enthusiasts the board is under-performing and overpriced when compared to the competition.

24-06-2013, 05:22:06

bigusdickus
I see reviewer hasn't responded to any of the questions asked in previous posts despite posting this morning.

Disappointing, very unprofessional.

24-06-2013, 05:23:15

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigusdickus View Post
I see reviewer hasn't responded to any of the questions asked in previous posts despite posting this morning.

Disappointing, very unprofessional.

Fuck me dude, give me a fucking chance will you jesus..... Some of us have other things to do you know.....

24-06-2013, 05:26:00

8pack
Wht did you delete my 6.5ghz /5.9 uncore DDR 2600 C6 Super Pi score??? Because it shows how Haswell should be overclocked????

Here it is again!!
https://imageshack.com/a/img801/9017/bo0x.jpg

It shows how when overclocking Haswell on a M6E you can increase BLK, Uncore and Tune the RAM as well as just increase CPU. The reviewer has not done any of this stuff and limited the performance accordingly by around 15%+.

24-06-2013, 05:33:23

bigusdickus
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
Fuck me dude, give me a fucking chance will you jesus..... Some of us have other things to do you know.....
No,

Your job is to answer the questions put to you if people think you are wrong..which it looks like you are.

Also using bad language is very unprofessional, do you do this a lot?

24-06-2013, 05:34:59

Vicey
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigusdickus View Post
Also using bad language is very unprofessional, do you do this a lot?
I think if you watched Tom's videos you'd know how he would be without needing to ask, this just adds fuel to the fire that you're an Asus shill that turned up here after this bad review was posted to refute it.

24-06-2013, 05:41:13

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigusdickus View Post
No,

Your job is to answer the questions put to you if people think you are wrong..which it looks like you are.

Also using bad language is very unprofessional, do you do this a lot?

My job? lol. The point is and one that you are both missing is for 99% of users this board is complete overkill and un needed.

We dont need 20million power phases to get the best from these CPU's and if you do push things heat is a factor first.

You can argue all you want about the other bits and thats fine, but you are missing the angle Ive taken.

24-06-2013, 05:41:44

Vicey
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigusdickus View Post
I am not employed by asus.

It is bad manners to use bad words when addressing someone.

I have seen this sort of behavior before from Tom on facebook when his Black fluid from Mayhems went a funny colour and he had a childish and very unprofessional verbal assault at Michael from mayhems.


Tom is only human. If my fluid changed colour and I told the guy in private and then he made that public and tried to make me look like the one at fault I'd be pissed off too.

24-06-2013, 05:47:53

8pack
Its actually you who are incorrect here no matter what angle your taking.

Haswell is about Uncore/ BLK/ DRAM you have done none. You have missed out on 15%+ performance that would boost the scores considerably. Furthermore you have discounted the fact that Uncore may not work at all on other boards you have scored well and hence mean its easier to clock them as you are not getting full memory bandwidth.

24-06-2013, 05:48:38

SuB
It's been said once, I'll say it again.

Calm the hell down in here boys. Tom's language is as it has always been, open and frank. In my opinion (and in many other's) his filter'less attitude towards language in his reviews add's a much more 'truth' feeling to the whole scene.

OC3D isn't here to kiss the arse of the manufacturers, Tom as always has given his honest and open review on this product. Part of his 'style' is not to filter his words which is refreshing as it doesn't sound like he's mincing his words.

Trust me when I say Tom's profressionalism is not the thing in question here, do you think he delights in giving a brand he uses himself a bad review? Does that fact change his opinion or let it over-shadow the truth of the review? No

Calling him out on it is just showing pettiness. If you're here to ignite fires and cause problems, I don't care which side of the argument you fall on. You will be removed. We're here for discussion and not to start a flame war.

24-06-2013, 05:51:26

Chopper3
Let's all play a game called "Ignore the Troll"

24-06-2013, 05:52:39

Spiderz
For people trying to say "we are not trolls" you sure seem to be attempting to wind everyone up.

As for the 6.5Ghz OC, I'd be very surprised if that isn't using LN2 or dry ice cooling and looking at the voltages they don't exactly scream long term stability, something the ones in the review were tested for. That said this is all related to haswell itself and not the board: if you can change uncore, blk etc on this board nothing to stop it being done on the cheaper boards too.

For the sake of consistency all the boards are being OC'd the same way using the same base components with only the motherboard changing. From this if you know you can get an OCCT stable 4.5Ghz overclock on one motherboard but using same volts only get 4.3GHz on the other, you know that it is the motherboard to blame. Likewise if you get an identical clock for identical volts on two different boards but one is 160 and the other 330 then it is a no-brainer, the more expensive board is getting no better results than the cheaper one and to an average end user who is not getting supplied their parts, you are not going to recommend the more expensive board as it offers nothing extra over the cheaper ones and your money is best spent elsewhere.

This is the point Tom made with the review - it performs on par with other z87 kit. If you were spending double the cash on something, you are right to expect something to perform better than the mid range.

Tom is only human and can make mistakes like the rest of us however it is refreshing to find a reviewer who is not just all business and in his videos tries to connect with his viewers.

24-06-2013, 06:34:36

SuB
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigusdickus. View Post
Trying to ban me is also unprofessional.


The reviewer may state that th product is overpriced but he has dodged and continues to avoid the questions put to him time and time again.
Consider yourself served..

24-06-2013, 06:35:32

8pack
All I particularly am saying is by clocking the Haswell in this way Tom is limiting the performance of the chip on any board.

The 3 things Tom has missed are fundamental to any conclusion you can make as do give a big swing in bench scores. and hopefully high benchmarks start to justify the asking price for someone wanting high end.

15-20% in encoding for example is alot!!

24-06-2013, 06:52:54

eshbop
So essentially it's just been reiterated what has been well known for the last couple of chipsets. You're not getting any significantly higher performance (maybe a 100-200MHz, or slightly lower voltages for the same frequency AT BEST) from these expensive boards over cheaper ones.

If anyone is buying a board today because they think they're going to get noticeably better performance out if it, which is what his review essentially revolves around, then your sadly mistaken. Also, not all brands are going to OC the same way either, manufactures do tweaks within the UEFI that changes how the mobo handles the CPU as well as the huge number of variables you can adjust. There's things that need to be done slightly differently between mobo M, mobo G and mobo A, especially when your trying to hit ~4.8GHz on Haswell.

But even if the M6E did perform better than board half it's price it would be by such a small margin (just like the difference between every other Z68 (less so), Z77 or Z87 board) that there would be no tangible, real world performance difference anyway.

My point being, even if it slightly out performed the other boards it should still be getting a "Bronze" award. And by this standard so would the highest end Z87 MSI or Gigabyte boards, because the few hundred points more your getting in synthetic benchmark X or Y doesn't justify the even larger price difference. No "Performance" awards here, something like a Titan deserves that (shitty price: performance, but still quiet a bit better any other single GPU at launch), not the extra (maybe, if you're lucky) 100-200MHz or 5-10degrees C cooler from lower volts (during OCCT runs, which are so far off real world use anyway) here or there that means nothing.

Buy a board because of its features/included software or if you're willing to pay for a particular colour scheme/look. Not because its a called a ROGXpowerOCForceSniper-Super-Overclock-whateverthefuck and therefore you'll get moar gigahertz. If you're buying any motherboard for performance, unless your benchmarking on LN2, you probably got more money than sense.

24-06-2013, 07:01:53

8pack
Did you try Haswell overclocking eshbop?? with uncore etc???

So how do you know its hardly any difference??

24-06-2013, 07:21:19

eshbop
Okay, lets assume your lucky enough to get a Haswell CPU that gets past 4.6GHz, lets assume you have a CPU that can do it with reasonable volts and even so, lets assume you delidded the chip and have watercooling, at least.

You might be able to get an extra 200MHz (maybe 300Mhz), which is about an extra 5-7% higher clocks at the high end. Which in anything BUT benchmarks, really means nothing (at this point you should of probably gone for LGA2011 anyway)

My point stands, you can pay $200-$300 extra (assuming you didn't have to pay even more to make all the above assumptions come true) for that extra 200MHz, but I'm not going to.

For the absolute vast majority of people all of this is out of reach, and unless all the above applies to you, buying this mobo JUST to get more GHz is ludicrous.

24-06-2013, 07:29:31

8pack
You pay your money you make your choice. You demand the best performing board for multiple graphics, DRAM, Uncore, BLK overclocking and tweaking. You are an overclocker who wants endless tuning options then they are all within this board. You ared a gamer who wants higher FPS this will give it ya. Faster Encoding done.

I would never be happy with 4.6ghz!!!

I am gonna do two benches with and without Uncore and memory tweaks. Then we see the performance difference maybe more than you think. I will post the results. All Air/Water stuff.

24-06-2013, 08:15:50

vorticalbox
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
You pay your money you make your choice. You demand the best performing board for multiple graphics, DRAM, Uncore, BLK overclocking and tweaking. You are an overclocker who wants endless tuning options then they are all within this board. You ared a gamer who wants higher FPS this will give it ya. Faster Encoding done.

I would never be happy with 4.6ghz!!!

I am gonna do two benches with and without Uncore and memory tweaks. Then we see the performance difference maybe more than you think. I will post the results. All Air/Water stuff.
look lurpack (awesome name BTW lol om nom) i see were you are coming from tom may of been able to OC a bit different and get better scores but he has OC the same chip the same way across all boards making all his results directly comparable to each other.

you can not compare one reviews results to another if they did the testing in different ways.

Anyone can cherry pick data to make there product seem better than the rest, hell that is mandatory for marketing but tom isn't selling anything to us.

He tested the hardware, told us how the testing was done, logged his results and then gave that to us to look at.

for all the people who think he is wrong then that's great! you took what tom said and made your own mind up based on the information you are given and for all of people who agree with tom thats awesome too! you took information given and made the choice to agree.

24-06-2013, 08:24:49

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
You pay your money you make your choice. You demand the best performing board for multiple graphics, DRAM, Uncore, BLK overclocking and tweaking. You are an overclocker who wants endless tuning options then they are all within this board. You ared a gamer who wants higher FPS this will give it ya. Faster Encoding done.

I would never be happy with 4.6ghz!!!

I am gonna do two benches with and without Uncore and memory tweaks. Then we see the performance difference maybe more than you think. I will post the results. All Air/Water stuff.

Is OCUK quiet today mate? Asus just phoned me to say you bitching at work too. Poor show mate. If you dont get what I am trying to say then fine.

But this is my opinion, and you can quote me on this.

"you dont need to spend 300+ on ANY brand to get to the thermal limits on any Haswell CPU. If you have the money and want to then fine but your CPU will start throttling before you reach the limits on a decent board like the GD65 Gaming which is just 160"

24-06-2013, 08:32:50

8pack
This is not bitching its pointing out how the review is fundamentally flawed. You have not tested what other boards cant do and this can!!! or more accurately where this board excels. Hence then its more worth the premium to high end gamers, overclockers and so fourth.

Your still not addressing my point!! Why not try BLK? Uncore? DRAM etc. Why not on all the boards then you can find the deficiency's and present a better overall informed article. With correct benchmark testing at the limit of the CPU's actual capabilities on a given board.

24-06-2013, 09:42:05

Vicey
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
Is OCUK quiet today mate? Asus just phoned me to say you bitching at work too. Poor show mate. If you dont get what I am trying to say then fine.
He works for Asus?

24-06-2013, 09:44:34

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicey View Post
He works for Asus?

Sponsored by Asus, works for OCUK.

24-06-2013, 09:45:41

Vicey
I see. Interesting how all these people turn up when this review was posted.

24-06-2013, 09:50:43

tinytomlogan
He has raised some valid points but thats not the angle I was going for. 99% of the people that buy this board will use it as it was reviewed or not even this far.

My point always was and still is, unless you know your shit this board is massive overkill and cheaper boards will be much better for you.... Even something like the |Sabertooth and then spend the saved money on better GFX

24-06-2013, 09:56:43

Vicey
Totally I understood your point from the video it was put very succinctly, other boards are better value for the kinds of people this board is being marketed at. And you touched on the ROG branding not fitting with all the overclocking features and I agree with that too.

I really think Asus should make a pure overclockers brand like Gigabyte have done. If I had one word for what this product with its branding is, it would be: "Confused".

24-06-2013, 10:09:12

tinytomlogan
Essentially the days are gone (with midrange anyways) that you need to spend a mint to overclock. CPU's and boards are so good now even a 200 board could be seen as being overkill.

If youre an overclock junky then fine. Most just are not. Just like Lurpack got given his board.... He didnt buy it....

24-06-2013, 10:29:56

eshbop
I don't understand how there is any conjecture over all this.

Let's say for a minute that the VI Extreme actually DID do a bit better than the MSI and Gigabyte boards, would that little improvement still make it worth the extra money? My wallet doesn't think so. And so should be the case for everyone else that doesn't want/need every last MHz out of a processor. And lets face it, anyone that DOES want/need every last MHz out of a processor is probably given that processor and the board to put it in.

Tom's points are still quiet valid even if this board was BETTER than the other two, even more so that he found it not to be.

You could see this trend with Sandy, more so with Ivy and now it's laid out with Haswell. In 99.9% of cases something else is going to be holding you back before the motherboard is. If you want performance don't expect to find it in a motherboard box.

24-06-2013, 13:49:06

8pack
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
Sponsored by Asus, works for OCUK.
I am not sponsored by ASUS. All manufacturers supply me boards to test for SI and to Overclock with. Not only ASUS!! Infact all of them. I have tested all the boards you have here plus many more on air,water and LN2.

I am just trying to point out that the end user now has several options to get more from the system than just simple multi-overclocking and I believe a reviewer should spend the time getting the best from a board before benching and commenting on it. I believe here 15% performance on some benches is missing thats alot!!! People would jump at 15% higher CPU why not get that through efficiency??? and maximizing what you have.

24-06-2013, 13:54:25

Dark NighT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
People would jump at 15% higher CPU why not get that through efficiency??? and maximizing what you have.
Are you forgetting the silicon lottery? nothing is set in stone when it comes to cpu's and their capabilities, you should know this.

24-06-2013, 14:09:34

Vicey
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
I am not sponsored by ASUS. All manufacturers supply me boards to test for SI and to Overclock with. Not only ASUS!! Infact all of them. I have tested all the boards you have here plus many more on air,water and LN2.
Definition of Sponsor from Wikipedia:
To sponsor something is to support an event, activity, person, or organization financially or through the provision of products or services.

So you weren't given the board for free to overclock with or do you not understand the definition of the word sponsor?

24-06-2013, 15:23:08

iBeInspire


24-06-2013, 17:36:56

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurpack View Post
I am not sponsored by ASUS. All manufacturers supply me boards to test for SI and to Overclock with. Not only ASUS!! Infact all of them. I have tested all the boards you have here plus many more on air,water and LN2.

I am just trying to point out that the end user now has several options to get more from the system than just simple multi-overclocking and I believe a reviewer should spend the time getting the best from a board before benching and commenting on it. I believe here 15% performance on some benches is missing thats alot!!! People would jump at 15% higher CPU why not get that through efficiency??? and maximizing what you have.

Pretty sure your MD told you not to post here anymore 8pack....

24-06-2013, 19:41:35

Nelly
I don't think their was much point even with Sandybridge buying a 300 motherboard for 100, or 200MHz more, was down to silicon lottery, I had 3 2500k's, 4.5 max, 4.6 max, and 4.9 max, using a Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H, and MSI Z77 Mpower.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark NighT
Are you forgetting the silicon lottery? nothing is set in stone when it comes to cpu's and their capabilities, you should know this.
Seems like it's all over the net, that the majority of the engineering samples clock better than the retail batches.

Pity a retail sample hasn't been used across the board for all the reviews. IF anyones to really blame, then blame Intel for just gluing the CPU's for Ivybridge/Haswell, instead of soldering them like Sandybridge and prior CPU's hence the cooler CPU's/Higher clocks - Intel is just doing what all big companies do to cut corners, and to make even more money - Asus is the same with RMA's, no UK support hence save money, all done through retailer.

I generally stick to Gigabyte, won't touch Asus with a barge pole, Asus make desirable motherboards, but the RMA is disgusting at best - won't catch me waiting 28 days for an RMA only to end up chasing a retailer because it's beyond what trading standards deems a reasonable amount of time to be sorted.

People should support companies that are prepared to have reduced profits by giving people in the UK actual customer support in our country like Gigabyte, Kingston, Intel (pickup by courier for you), Crucial, KFA2.

I might set an example, and make my PC fully UK customer supportable.

24-06-2013, 20:25:14

iiBetrayforAR
Quote:
Originally Posted by iBeInspire View Post


This. I know I have my popcorn. Rooting for Tom.

24-06-2013, 20:35:06

Deejeta
Far out 12 pages of sledging for posting an honest review...

24-06-2013, 21:19:05

Dark NighT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelly View Post
I don't think their was much point even with Sandybridge buying a 300 motherboard for 100, or 200MHz more, was down to silicon lottery, I had 3 2500k's, 4.5 max, 4.6 max, and 4.9 max, using a Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H, and MSI Z77 Mpower.Seems like it's all over the net, that the majority of the engineering samples clock better than the retail batches.

Pity a retail sample hasn't been used across the board for all the reviews. IF anyones to really blame, then blame Intel for just gluing the CPU's for Ivybridge/Haswell, instead of soldering them like Sandybridge and prior CPU's hence the cooler CPU's/Higher clocks - Intel is just doing what all big companies do to cut corners, and to make even more money - Asus is the same with RMA's, no UK support hence save money, all done through retailer.

I generally stick to Gigabyte, won't touch Asus with a barge pole, Asus make desirable motherboards, but the RMA is disgusting at best - won't catch me waiting 28 days for an RMA only to end up chasing a retailer because it's beyond what trading standards deems a reasonable amount of time to be sorted.

People should support companies that are prepared to have reduced profits by giving people in the UK actual customer support in our country like Gigabyte, Kingston, Intel (pickup by courier for you), Crucial, KFA2.

I might set an example, and make my PC fully UK customer supportable.
Totally agree with you there, intel needs to step up their game when it comes to temperature control, If i had the spare money i would be delidding my 3570K tomorrow and do it properly, im not even into big overclocking, but i do like low temps and low noise whenever possible.

Maybe i should just go back to full watercooling, i still have all the bits, but anyway, intel Fix the damn glue stuff.

24-06-2013, 21:23:36

nippinpippin
I'm a TTL fan and have been for a good while, however this review in my opinion seemed more of a bashing than the usual constructive review from Tom.
I know the Extreme did not perform as expected, and as always I applaud Tom for his honest and colourful reviews.
However my main gripe over this review is the lack of comparison.
We all now that an MSI GD65 performs as well and is half the price, but what about Gigabyte and MSI's Top end boards?
The MSI Z87 X Power is as expensive and the Gigabyte Z87X-OC Force is over 100 more. I feel the Asus should have been compared to these for perspective and fairness.
Could it be all Haswell, high end boards are a waste of money, not just Asus's.
There will always be low, mid and high end ranges to everything, the individual makes the choice and pays his money.
Its obvious you pay more money for Premium brands/models with higher end components with extra features/gimmicks they come with, if you use them all the time, once or never.
As an example, I'm sure Tom would be just as fast down a trail on a bike half the price of his Scott Ransom Carbon Ltd, it's just personal choice and exclusivity. BTW, love the bike Tom.
If you can afford it and like it, buy it, simple as. And as always look at more than 1 review if need be.
Before the usual is dished out, I have both MSI and Asus rigs, which are both great.

25-06-2013, 01:10:45

trent
Good job mate, finally someone to serve it to Asus how it is, they need to snap out of it.

Quote:
Could it be all Haswell, high end boards are a waste of money, not just Asus's.
You are absolutely right, Haswell is a waste of money, period.

25-06-2013, 04:44:42

SuB
Quote:
Originally Posted by nippinpippin View Post
I feel the Asus should have been compared to these for perspective and fairness.
I imagine if/when these boards are received at TTL Towers, that will be exactly what happens.

25-06-2013, 06:08:48

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by nippinpippin View Post
I'm a TTL fan and have been for a good while, however this review in my opinion seemed more of a bashing than the usual constructive review from Tom.
I know the Extreme did not perform as expected, and as always I applaud Tom for his honest and colourful reviews.
However my main gripe over this review is the lack of comparison.
We all now that an MSI GD65 performs as well and is half the price, but what about Gigabyte and MSI's Top end boards?
The MSI Z87 X Power is as expensive and the Gigabyte Z87X-OC Force is over 100 more. I feel the Asus should have been compared to these for perspective and fairness.
Could it be all Haswell, high end boards are a waste of money, not just Asus's.
There will always be low, mid and high end ranges to everything, the individual makes the choice and pays his money.
Its obvious you pay more money for Premium brands/models with higher end components with extra features/gimmicks they come with, if you use them all the time, once or never.
As an example, I'm sure Tom would be just as fast down a trail on a bike half the price of his Scott Ransom Carbon Ltd, it's just personal choice and exclusivity. BTW, love the bike Tom.
If you can afford it and like it, buy it, simple as. And as always look at more than 1 review if need be.
Before the usual is dished out, I have both MSI and Asus rigs, which are both great.

All in good time mate, I dont have endless ammounts of time to test, I do have a life and this is technically just my Job. This is the first and only thing Asus have sent so far and it was their slot for a review.

Trust me I didnt bash this anywhere near as hard as I could have tbh

It just left me feeling disappointed and thats NEVER happened with a rog before.

25-06-2013, 06:12:51

8pack
8 Pack no but Lurpack can post where he wants!!

25-06-2013, 06:20:36

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8pack View Post
8 Pack no but Lurpack can post where he wants!!

Good luck with that then

25-06-2013, 06:25:28

8pack
LOL!!

You removed me!!

25-06-2013, 06:31:39

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8pack View Post
LOL!!

You removed me!!

Im not messing about with your games anymore matey. Take your flaming else where. Please.

25-06-2013, 07:31:28

nippinpippin
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
All in good time mate, I dont have endless ammounts of time to test, I do have a life and this is technically just my Job. This is the first and only thing Asus have sent so far and it was their slot for a review.

Trust me I didnt bash this anywhere near as hard as I could have tbh

It just left me feeling disappointed and thats NEVER happened with a rog before.

I'm self employed myself Tom and I do appreciate that there is never enough time in the day.
I respect your views, and rate you as one of the best reviewers on the web. However I just felt that this review was a more emotional and less constructive than usual, if that makes any sense. Maybe it's just the way the review came over to me.
Ok the Asus did test badly and if it deserved a bad review, fair enough.
I will be really interested to see how the other high end boards compare in relation to the Asus and I'll look forward to your reviews of them, when you can fit them in of course.
Please keep up the good work Tom, your honesty and hard work is appreciated, if not always agreed with.

25-06-2013, 07:53:51

AverageNinja
I only like the look of the Maximus VI Formula with the thermal armor and the G1/4" threads. I don't like this at all

25-06-2013, 08:38:51

JR23
I loved the review

As a newb it seems apparent to me that this board is really only for the quad GPU gang and let's face it if you just dropped 2-3k on your graphics cards what does an extra 100 for the motherboard really matter?

It's just another Asus ROB board - 'Republic of Benchmarkers'

The Maximus VI Formula is where things will become interesting. It's a shame Asus won't send you one for review now you said that TTL!

JR

25-06-2013, 08:45:23

AverageNinja
Quote:
Originally Posted by JR23 View Post
I loved the review

As a newb it seems apparent to me that this board is really only for the quad GPU gang and let's face it if you just dropped 2-3k on your graphics cards what does an extra 100 for the motherboard really matter?

It's just another Asus ROB board - 'Republic of Benchmarkers'

The Maximus VI Formula is where things will become interesting. It's a shame Asus won't send you one for review now you said that TTL!

JR
Even for benchmarking this board is too expensive. Have you actually watched the review?
The MSI MPower MAX will do the same for a bit more than half the price

25-06-2013, 08:59:30

Vicey
Quote:
Originally Posted by AverageNinja View Post
Even for benchmarking this board is too expensive. Have you actually watched the review?
The MSI MPower MAX will do the same for a bit more than half the price
No it wont. You can't run Quad SLI or 4 Way Crossfire on the MPower Max.

He clearly said in his message this board is for benchmarkers. And if you're not just a CPU benchmarker you'll want Quad slots for four 780's / Titans. That is what this board offers over the MPower MAX.

But the problem is .. Quad SLI / 4 Way Crossfire sucks for gaming, most games do not work with it properly and it often results in lowered FPS compared to Tri-SLI and 3 Way Crossfire.

Why is this a problem if this is for Benchmarkers? Because it's in the Republic of Gamers brand and yet they've stuck on all these super high end benchmark and overclocking features and when you combine that with the fact haswell retail chips don't really clock that great this board makes little sense over one less than half its cost that can reach the same overclocks for enthusiasts just using air or water but not LN2.

And honestly I'd argue that even the Quad SLI / 4 Way Crossfire that this board offers would not be a great thing due to its lack of PCIe lanes. X79 with a x8 x8 x8 x8 Gen 3 configuration would be much better for Titans for example and would give higher benchmark scores, even on my own system just going from Gen 2 to Gen 3 with Dual cards increased my maximum FPS and thus benchmark scores in Heaven by 300 points. The minimum and average stayed the same so it would not be relevant in gaming but in benchmarking that extra max FPS provided by the extra bandwidth counts.

This board .. I dunno, it certainly fits a niche, a guy who has enough money to be stupid with it but not enough money to go X79? *shrug*

25-06-2013, 09:13:11

JR23
Quote:
Originally Posted by AverageNinja View Post
Even for benchmarking this board is too expensive. Have you actually watched the review?
The MSI MPower MAX will do the same for a bit more than half the price
Yes of course I have watched the review. My point was that one would only buy the extreme over the formula or any other board because they wish to run quad GPU's and if you did the price difference would be negligible, you could spend 600 on the MB and it would barely impact the build cost. And for those kind of folk I would imagine the Rampage IV Extreme would still be favourable anyway.

25-06-2013, 10:18:24

nippinpippin
Quote:
Originally Posted by AverageNinja View Post
Even for benchmarking this board is too expensive. Have you actually watched the review?
The MSI MPower MAX will do the same for a bit more than half the price

The Mpower MAX isn't MSI's top end board it's the Xpower at 350, which is the same price as the Asus, that's MSI's comparable board to the Extreme not the MAX.

Also it's not just Asus which has Z87 boards over 300, Gigabyte for god sake has one at 465. How's about that for value for money.

I think until these boards are tested, its unfair to label the Asus or the Extreme as a duds, especially as other reviewers are having good OCing results with the Extreme.

My point is I think this is not just Asus. I feel that Haswell isn't that good an overclocker, due to the heat issues, and mid range boards can get as good OCing from it using regular cooling as high end boards can. I do think however that the high end boards would excel with exotic cooling, which I agree is not for 95% of us.

I personally will wait until the other high end boards are tested before making any conclusions on how poor Asus and the Extreme are.

26-06-2013, 04:57:39

tinytomlogan
Its not Haswell's fault. Its that the lower end boards are great and haswell doesnt need loads of power to run/overclocked - basically as Ive already said for most users the expensive boards are just elite epeen boards that you DONT need.

If you want to bench and your only reason for buying the board is to overclock then one of the expensive boards may get you a marginally better clock. But Im not going to risk my CPU to prove that point. Ill go to a decent clock and 100c is 20c higher than we normally do but thats it. After that point you need MUCH better cooling

26-06-2013, 05:44:42

SPS
If this board wasn't ROG branded and OC branded instead similar to the Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC Force.

Would there have been a different conclusion?

26-06-2013, 05:53:14

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPS View Post
If this board wasn't ROG branded and OC branded instead similar to the Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC Force.

Would there have been a different conclusion?

I dont think so no dude, for the average user 330 is a mega amount of money.

Focus on the heat, we are lucky and have an epic chip that can do 4.8 at nice low volts. But an expensive board like this actually needs to give the cpu more volts (and because of it 8c more heat) for the same clocks and scores.......

26-06-2013, 06:11:47

You_What?
I'm liking this board...

26-06-2013, 06:52:53

SuB
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Originally Posted by You_What? View Post
I'm liking this board...
Excellent contribution to the thread...

26-06-2013, 09:17:42

nippinpippin
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Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
Its not Haswell's fault. Its that the lower end boards are great and haswell doesnt need loads of power to run/overclocked - basically as Ive already said for most users the expensive boards are just elite epeen boards that you DONT need.

If you want to bench and your only reason for buying the board is to overclock then one of the expensive boards may get you a marginally better clock. But Im not going to risk my CPU to prove that point. Ill go to a decent clock and 100c is 20c higher than we normally do but thats it. After that point you need MUCH better cooling

Totally agree with you on the epeen Tom, and I'm sure the Extreme and other Premium boards will still be used in custom rigs with users with cash to burn.

26-06-2013, 10:31:36

Nelly
This pretty much sums it up for me, Rawz tested over 60 retail CPU's, and 45 were poor overclockers.

I stand by what I say, if the Haswell CPU's were soldered like Sandybridge, the high end motherboards would come into their own, just like they did on P67/Z68 chipset, and Z77 if you was still using Sandybridge.
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Originally Posted by RawZ - Aria Forums
Just be careful about some reviews out there. A lot of them are using ES. Nothing wrong with that but some of the ES can do a lot higher Overclocks (stable and bootable) with a lot less voltage than retail. Mileage will vary a lot depending on what cooling method and if your retail CPU is a duffer. The motherboard isn't the limitation in this case. Don't go thinking I'll buy a 200+ motherboard for 4.6+ Overclocks as some of the cheaper ones I've tested do exactly the same. If you can keep CPU temps under 80C and not breach any higher than 1.35v (1.3v ideally), well done. I don't think it's worth hitting 1.4v even on custom water.

You may have noticed the other day we had some OEM speed-tested CPUs for sale. Whats interesting, these Haswell chip vary massively more so than other generations we've tested. Even though they were all from the same batch, to boot into the Windows desktop at 5GHz for example, a few can do so at 1.25v (like some ES CPUs I and reviewers have), others need 1.4-1.45v or higher.

Those of you who are speed binning yourself to get decent chips to OC stable 4.6-4.8 with decent cooling & temps, look for those chips than can boot into Windows at 5GHz with 1.25-1.3v.

Unfortunately, most are dogs. By that I mean 4.2-4.5 is probably going to be the max for most of you no matter what cooling method or motherboard. Lucky ones will hit 4.6. Anything 4.7 and over, count yourselves very lucky with your chip. Out of 60 tested, I found around 45 to be poor clockers. The others we're around 4.6-4.7. Very VERY few could do 4.8. The i7's are a flipping nightmare to get stable with high clocks as the hyper-threading rapes the temps when using OCCT 4.4.0 with AVX enabled on all logical cores. As some review site have claimed. 90-100C+ is true.

Is it worth it? Overclockers, yes. Gamers, not so much. Mr Joe Bloggs, no.
Source

27-06-2013, 09:01:42

Sting101
I think you've spoken way too soon on the product line up from Asus Tom.
Because Maximus VI Hero is a much better comparison to the entry level MSI/GIGA.

27-06-2013, 09:07:01

tinytomlogan
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Originally Posted by Sting101 View Post
I think you've spoken way too soon on the product line up from Asus Tom.
Because Maximus VI Hero is a much better comparison to the entry level MSI/GIGA.
Cant comment about products Ive not seen mate, nor change my views on a single product based on another one.

Ive only spoken about this one item not the range.

27-06-2013, 14:05:45

Dicehunter
Who the hell would run more than 2 way SLI or Crossfire-X anyway ?, After 2 GPU's the scaling gets pretty bad and not worth it, Yay for 5FPS more and 400 more for a 3rd card, So worth it......

27-06-2013, 16:53:49

vorticalbox
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Originally Posted by Dicehunter View Post
Who the hell would run more than 2 way SLI or Crossfire-X anyway ?, After 2 GPU's the scaling gets pretty bad and not worth it, Yay for 5FPS more and 400 more for a 3rd card, So worth it......
bench markers mate.

02-07-2013, 14:56:01

Xavi C

09-07-2013, 18:00:08

doombadger
I wish to complain. In Tom's latest video the line "...so, as you can imagine, Asus went f***ing spastic about it..." made me laugh so hard and unexpectedly I almost spit tea all over my laptop which would have doubtless rendered it useless. It was a jolly nice cup of tea as well which would have increased my sense of loss palpably. Statements of this nature should be accompanied by some manner of warning in future to avoid similar mishaps.

On a separate note, I've just found this site whilst researching my latest PC build and I am very happy to have done so. I'm currently scouring the reviews and soaking up the forums. I wanted to join to say how useful it's proving.

Those Asus trolls are top drawer comedy value too

09-07-2013, 20:14:25

Operations
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Originally Posted by doombadger View Post
On a separate note, I've just found this site whilst researching my latest PC build and I am very happy to have done so. I'm currently scouring the reviews and soaking up the forums. I wanted to join to say how useful it's proving.
Yeah I have aria.co.uk to blame for introducing me to Tiny Tom Logan through his videos being plastered all over the place.
I also have TTL blame for getting me to sign up to the forums with his mega Haswell competition

10-07-2013, 04:18:39

SuB
Nice to have you on board guys

10-07-2013, 13:49:17

XOR
I just sincerely want to say thank you to all for this thread. It's an epic roller-coaster of a journey. Facts, non facts, zealotism, melodrama and are all here.

It's been highly entertaining and extreme value for money in the fact that it cost me just the time to read and me internet connection (well and my comp and electricity).

If I am honest Tom, *and I understand you have limited time*, I still would have liked to see you banging away with this mofo.. sorry mobo on vid. I know this may sound like I'm being a facetious bar-stard, but no, I mean it, I like watching your clips of stuff doing badly more than stuff doing goodly , weird huh? That Thorsten 1200W PSU vid? F-ing hilarious! ("...don't touch it with ya mates barge pole.." Gold dust!)

Please go into more detail on the stuff you consider below par. I think its valid to do full lengths on not just what stands out for being good, but stands out for being curdled-monkey-shite. You might not have the time, but count me in the audience if you do

10-07-2013, 18:51:23

MeanBruce
a good job Tom.

11-07-2013, 04:57:58

trapjaw72
Asus has lost their way 100 percent,was about 5 guy's on youtube that I trusted,well I thought an now they are on asus pay-roll for sure,T-T-L be the only person ill watch on youtube now,he is only one that can be trusted,sad asus dont care about us who buy's these mother-boards...msi looking really good now.....nzxt same as asus to me....

11-07-2013, 05:02:53

tinytomlogan
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Originally Posted by trapjaw72 View Post
Asus has lost their way 100 percent,was about 5 guy's on youtube that I trusted,well I thought an now they are on asus pay-roll for sure,T-T-L be the only person ill watch on youtube now,he is only one that can be trusted,sad asus dont care about us who buy's these mother-boards...msi looking really good now.....nzxt same as asus to me....

Everyone is allowed the oppinion dude, they may have got a different BIOS, I just reported what I had......

Theres also way you can look at certain things to make them seem better.

11-07-2013, 05:51:48

trapjaw72
you are 100 percent right thats only my oppinion I should have not said it like that maybe....

12-07-2013, 03:26:24

riesscar
Wow... this series of exchanges became quite petty and off-topic. Lot's of ad-hominem attacks from people on both sides. Perhaps worse is the fact that I didn't learn much of anything except that people are strangely worked up over a topic that just doesn't warrant any emotional turmoil at all.

I'll quickly give my two cents on ASUS: I am a patron of the company. I trust them in a number of areas, particularly in networking. Having said that, I think it is indubitable that with their increased popularity and company success there has been a predictable shift towards poor customer service and product quality indifference. It seems that the more successful a company is, the more likely they will become a profit-driven monster... look at HP. Sucks doesn't it.

Anyway, I am posting to ask the following: if the maximus vi extreme is not worth the money, what board is recommended for 250-450$? I am trying to build a powerhouse gaming rig, and I sort of defaulted to ROG. Having read so many users say that Gigabyte and MSI are producing the best MB's, could someone suggest actual model #'s. I also wondered about a number of posts stating that intel's 4th gen Haswell CPU's should be avoided, but this is in stark contrast to other reviews that I have read in which increased performance over 2nd and 3rd gen were guaranteed. I don't need the built in graphics, so which CPU is the best for gaming and overclocking? Should I go sandy or Haswell. The Xeon is expensive, and server-class, so I imagine it is not for gaming and OC.

Thanks to anyone who gives advice... oh, and regarding MB suggestions: I find the user-friendly features that some posters scoff at to be a major plus with regard to buying a board. I do not want to be able to destroy my expensive rig because my board assumes I know about voltages/load-line calibration/etc... I would like a board that can do what ASUS' boards can - like secure and stable automated overclocking, automated and intelligent fan control, remote-go, etc...

In summation:

Sandy or Haswell

MB Model Recommendations

Keep ease of overclocking in mind, please.

Thanks Sincerely

Carson

I just found this ASRock Z87 OC Formula board on newegg. Any thoughts on this one. BTW I'm posting in this thread because I was all set to buy the ASUS Max VI Extreme until I read Tom's review.

13-07-2013, 07:13:19

murphy7801
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Originally Posted by Vicey View Post
No it wont. You can't run Quad SLI or 4 Way Crossfire on the MPower Max.

He clearly said in his message this board is for benchmarkers. And if you're not just a CPU benchmarker you'll want Quad slots for four 780's / Titans. That is what this board offers over the MPower MAX.

But the problem is .. Quad SLI / 4 Way Crossfire sucks for gaming, most games do not work with it properly and it often results in lowered FPS compared to Tri-SLI and 3 Way Crossfire.

Why is this a problem if this is for Benchmarkers? Because it's in the Republic of Gamers brand and yet they've stuck on all these super high end benchmark and overclocking features and when you combine that with the fact haswell retail chips don't really clock that great this board makes little sense over one less than half its cost that can reach the same overclocks for enthusiasts just using air or water but not LN2.

And honestly I'd argue that even the Quad SLI / 4 Way Crossfire that this board offers would not be a great thing due to its lack of PCIe lanes. X79 with a x8 x8 x8 x8 Gen 3 configuration would be much better for Titans for example and would give higher benchmark scores, even on my own system just going from Gen 2 to Gen 3 with Dual cards increased my maximum FPS and thus benchmark scores in Heaven by 300 points. The minimum and average stayed the same so it would not be relevant in gaming but in benchmarking that extra max FPS provided by the extra bandwidth counts.

This board .. I dunno, it certainly fits a niche, a guy who has enough money to be stupid with it but not enough money to go X79? *shrug*
I think you raise a good point here you do have to go to the MSI XPOWER z87 to get quad channel. Ultimately that is a tailored overclocking board for benchmarking. Think there is consideration that haswell wouldnt be great 4 cards anyway since doesnt have as much grunt as say heavily overclocked 3970X but thats different price bracket. Main criticism I have of this board is its republic of gamers but seems like its trying to be a pure overclock board with few tacky bits ontop.

13-07-2013, 09:16:30

ahpadt
Quote:
Originally Posted by riesscar View Post
Anyway, I am posting to ask the following: if the maximus vi extreme is not worth the money, what board is recommended for 250-450$? I am trying to build a powerhouse gaming rig, and I sort of defaulted to ROG. Having read so many users say that Gigabyte and MSI are producing the best MB's, could someone suggest actual model #'s. I also wondered about a number of posts stating that intel's 4th gen Haswell CPU's should be avoided, but this is in stark contrast to other reviews that I have read in which increased performance over 2nd and 3rd gen were guaranteed. I don't need the built in graphics, so which CPU is the best for gaming and overclocking? Should I go sandy or Haswell. The Xeon is expensive, and server-class, so I imagine it is not for gaming and OC.

Thanks to anyone who gives advice... oh, and regarding MB suggestions: I find the user-friendly features that some posters scoff at to be a major plus with regard to buying a board. I do not want to be able to destroy my expensive rig because my board assumes I know about voltages/load-line calibration/etc... I would like a board that can do what ASUS' boards can - like secure and stable automated overclocking, automated and intelligent fan control, remote-go, etc...

In summation:

Sandy or Haswell

MB Model Recommendations

Keep ease of overclocking in mind, please.

Thanks Sincerely

Carson

I just found this ASRock Z87 OC Formula board on newegg. Any thoughts on this one. BTW I'm posting in this thread because I was all set to buy the ASUS Max VI Extreme until I read Tom's review.
With regards to ASUS: My Gene offers pretty much the same as the Extreme does. Atleast it does all the automated overclocking. At half the price, and you get all the same stupendous BIOS settings that nobody without a degree in electrical engineering will understand. If you want ATX then the Hero can't be a too bad bet, as it's roughly the same price (150-160ish). If you're just gonna do automated overclocking then the Extreme is super-ultra overkill.

You can't really go wrong with a 4670K or 4770K. The price difference between Ivy and Haswell is so small that there isn't really any reason to go Ivy, even if the performance increase isn't that big.

16-07-2013, 05:29:21

angel247
Nice 2 the point review, for the price that Asus is asking this board in the end it comes 2 personal choice . Cheaper and good looking boards (other brands) offer much more than this boards in terms of stability and overclock. An obvious choise 4 an asus fan would be the gene that offers kinda the same performance , less connectivity and less bundle at half the price .
Me i would go for gigabyte z87x-oc 4 atx , gigabyte g1 sniper m5 microatx cause both are in the same price range orasrock z87m oc formula but this last one i havent seen it in shops in my country yet

19-07-2013, 20:20:24

GoogalyMoogaly
Wow, long thread. To be honest, skim read a lot of it.

I'm a little confused that a board arguably aimed at real high end overclockers with all the options to do so isn't reviewed as a board for doing this with and then given a negative review?
As a strictly overclocking board surely the World Records speak for themselves, whether they're benchmark runs on LN2 or not.
As I understand it 8Pack/Lurpack does compete for OC world records, where as TTL doesn't. What TTL does do is review products for the average gamer/enthusiast.
If this is a board for overclocking and it holds multiple world records and is backed by someone that I believe holds a world record or two, doesn't that suggest it's target audience? If it's not gonna be reviewed as such, why review it at all?
Surely that's like doing a review of a track-day sports car, but judging it based on how well it works as a people carrier for taking the kids to school?

If 8Pack is 'sponsored' because companies send him stuff for free to use, does that mean TTL pays for everything he reviews? Or does he get 'sponsored' too?

It will be interesting to see if MSI and Gigabyte's expensive boards get similar reviews for not offering enough extra features to justify 2 or even 3 times the price tag of a mid-range board. Can we then all say MSI and Gigabyte have dropped the ball this time around too?

Also, how does TTL know what 8Packs MD is telling him? Did he tell on him?
Is that the level this reached? Cuz I'm not sure anyone comes out of a 'discussion' like that well.

I think we need to give TTL the chance to review the more expensive MSI and Gigabyte boards as well as the cheaper ROG & Asus to see how this review sits in the scheme of things.
Then maybe we can see if TTL dislikes all high end boards because of their price or if he just has a thing in for Asus at the minute. Or my personal preference, that the Gigabyte Z87X-OC Force (for the extra 275+ over the Z87X-OC) is actually able to work the zipper on my jeans (for starters) while I'm using my PC.

19-07-2013, 20:26:46

Feronix
Not saying that you are wrong, but if it's strictly for overclocking, Asus should drop the whole ROG thing for this board.

19-07-2013, 20:32:30

GoogalyMoogaly
Yeah, ROG seems to mean Asus 'Premium' division more these days than 'Gamers' division.

That said, I'd hope that we can all look past a brand name to figure out the intended use of a board. MSI put planes on their graphics card boxes but I don't expect them to be able to fly, it's just marketing. I also don't think that MSI's 'Lightning' range actually has anything to do with lightning and wouldn't expect it to be marked down in a review due to lack of lightning. Or planes.

06-02-2014, 08:59:42

Dicehunter
Did this board ever end up being good with a newer bios or still industry worst price to performance ratio ?

06-02-2014, 09:04:17

tinytomlogan
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Originally Posted by Dicehunter View Post
Did this board ever end up being good with a newer bios or still industry worst price to performance ratio ?
Its 'as good' as the others once they sorted the bios matey yes. They had been making ones for me to try and fix an issue and after the 4th one I just got fed up with testing!!!

After a few weeks and lots of rows they realised they had borked it their end!

06-02-2014, 09:31:38

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
Its 'as good' as the others once they sorted the bios matey yes. They had been making ones for me to try and fix an issue and after the 4th one I just got fed up with testing!!!

After a few weeks and lots of rows they realised they had borked it their end!
Cooleo thanks for the reply, For a straight up gaming rig, 2-way 780 TI SLI, 4770K, Which would you suggest, This or the Formula ?

*EDIT*


Scratch the last question, Just watched the Formula review, Purchased the Formula

06-02-2014, 13:38:12

Zoot
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Originally Posted by Dicehunter View Post
Cooleo thanks for the reply, For a straight up gaming rig, 2-way 780 TI SLI, 4770K, Which would you suggest, This or the Formula ?

*EDIT*


Scratch the last question, Just watched the Formula review, Purchased the Formula
What's wrong with your Sabertooth??

Getting worried about you dude, that upgrade bug is really consuming you.

06-02-2014, 14:28:55

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by Zoot View Post
What's wrong with your Sabertooth??

Getting worried about you dude, that upgrade bug is really consuming you.
Donating it to a family members gaming rig

06-02-2014, 14:32:30

Feronix
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Originally Posted by Dicehunter View Post
Donating it to a family members gaming rig
Well that's going to mess up your colour scheme...

06-02-2014, 14:36:21

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by Feronix View Post
Well that's going to mess up your colour scheme...
I thought so too but it strangely goes together, The red from the sound card, NIC, H100i and then the board with the sorrounding colour being a green glow, Sounds odd I know but it works
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